GTB Hatsu 2025 - inviting you to partake - 217 entries, deadline has passed

[Kintamayama]

There's a game. It's a game called GTB. I promise you it will be very difficult and time consuming.. And annoying. But gratifying. Like eating cashew nuts without teeth.

This is a formal invitation to play the "Guess the Banzuke" game!! 25 years, 159 bashos. Please play. It's free for now..

Game rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for slipping on the shikiri-sen, which, BTW, is painted on. Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important.  The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. If still tied, the earliest entry wins. If still tied, the player with the fastest growing beard. It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's going to be your fault if you don't notice that your entry went missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted. Those are the rules, and the rules will never be changed.

Man: "Waiter, what cold soup do you have?"

Waiter: "Gespacho."

"Man: "Gespacho, what cold soup do you have?"

 And now, for some serious stuff:

For rules, standings and hummus: http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

For the nifty entry form, which will hopefully continue to do what it's intended to do :http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntry.aspx

For Chiyotasuke's helper: https://gtbhelper.vercel.app

For the "new" archives:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/gtbarchive.aspx

See if you are on the entry list: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntryList.aspx

Deadline: Monday, December 16th, 2024  at 18:00 GMT ("Games Mode Today") - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEEK BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Special thanks to showrunners Andoreasu, Wizard Doitsuyama for everything else, and Katbam!.

***MESSAGE: Please note that as you probably found out by now, the confirmation e-mail thing is not working, so I suggest a screen capture for now for those of you who wish to save their guesses.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Gurowake]

10 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

If still tied, the player with the fastest growing beard.

I'm glad I likely have this tiebreaker covered.

[Wakawakawaka]

If I own a bearded dragon does that count?

I may need to invest in one after trying to figure out this banzuke since they don't make an ointment for that.

Edited November 26, 2024 by Wakawakawaka

[Kintamayama]

On 26/11/2024 at 19:45, Wakawakawaka said:

If I own a bearded dragon does that count?

I may need to invest in one after trying to figure out this banzuke since they don't make an ointment for that.

Everything, and nothing counts when it comes to GTB. Or unless your shikona is Higedoragon, in which case I have to buy you a drink.

[Kintamayama]

Two weeks till deadline. site shaky , so do it before it’s too late.

[Asashosakari]

The game page shows the Kyushu deadline (and reads "Aki").

Edited December 4, 2024 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama]

13 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

The game page shows the Kyushu deadline (and reads "Aki").

Fixed, hopefully..

[Kintamayama]

A week to go.

[Kintamayama]

4 days!! Now!! Enter now!!

[Wamahada]

On 05/12/2024 at 00:24, Asashosakari said:

The game page shows the Kyushu deadline (and reads "Aki").

Still Kyushu, not fixed at all, however doesn‘t seem to matter

[Kintamayama]

9 hours ago, Wamahada said:

Still Kyushu, not fixed at all, however doesn‘t seem to matter

At least the date is correct..

[Wamahada]

The deadline has passed 

[Asashosakari]

After beating 254 players, how difficult can it be to beat 216? Ahem. My attempt:

Terunofuji (Ye 0-0-15)   Y    ---
Kotozakura (O1e 14-1 Y)  O1   Hoshoryu (O1w 13-2)
---                      O2   Onosato (O2w 9-6)
Wakamotoharu (Ke 10-5)   S    Daieisho (Sw 8-7)
Abi (M3e 11-4)           K    Wakatakakage (M2e 10-5)

Takanosho (M6e 11-4)     M1   Kirishima (Se 6-9)
Tobizaru (M5e 9-6)       M2   Atamifuji (M3w 8-7)
Gonoyama (M8w 11-4)      M3   Oho (M1e 6-9)
Shodai (Kw 4-11)         M4   Ura (M2w 5-10)
Hiradoumi (M1w 4-11)     M5   Chiyoshoma (M14e 11-4)
Takayasu (M9w 8-7)       M6   Ichiyamamoto (M10e 8-7)
Endo (M7e 7-8)           M7   Mitakeumi (M7w 7-8)
Roga (M8e 7-8)           M8   Takarafuji (M10w 8-7)
Tamawashi (M11e 8-7)     M9   Midorifuji (M9e 7-8)
Meisei (M11w 8-7)        M10  Churanoumi (M4e 4-11)
Oshoma (M4w 4-11)        M11  Nishikigi (M6w 5-10)
Takerufuji (M16w 10-5)   M12  Onokatsu (M15e 9-6)
Shonannoumi (M13w 8-7)   M13  Hokutofuji (M12e 7-8)
Kinbozan (J1w 12-3 Y)    M14  Kotoshoho (M5w 3-11-1)
Hakuoho (J2w 10-5)       M15  Kitanowaka (J1e 9-6)
Tamashoho (J4e 10-5)     M16  Kagayaki (J2e 9-6)
Nishikifuji (M14w 6-9)   M17  Tokihayate (M15w 6-9)

I suspect there will be a lot of entries along that general line, e.g. if I didn't miss anything in @Sumo Spiffy's video, we've got 38 slots in common (only Se/w and M11w/M12e flipped).

[Reonito]

26 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

I suspect there will be a lot of entries along that general line, e.g. if I didn't miss anything in @Sumo Spiffy's video, we've got 38 slots in common (only Se/w and M11w/M12e flipped).

I didn't have those flips, but I did push Nishikifuji up to 16w in the end. The fact that it's Nishikifuji weighed into that call  I debated pushing up the M4's but in the end didn't see a way to do it without creating either under-promotions and over-demotions or a bit split between Churanoumi and Oshoma.

[Tigerboy1966]

My entry

Terunofuji (Ye 0-0-15)   Y    ---
Kotozakura (O1e 14-1 Y)  O1   Hoshoryu (O1w 13-2)
---                      O2   Onosato (O2w 9-6)
Daieisho (Sw 8-7)        S    Wakamotoharu (Ke 10-5)
Abi (M3e 11-4)           K    Wakatakakage (M2e 10-5)

Takanosho (M6e 11-4)     M1   Kirishima (Se 6-9)
Gonoyama (M8w 11-4)      M2   Tobizaru (M5e 9-6)
Atamifuji (M3w 8-7)      M3   Oho (M1e 6-9)
Shodai (Kw 4-11)         M4   Chiyoshoma (M14e 11-4)
Ura (M2w 5-10)           M5   Hiradoumi (M1w 4-11)
Takayasu (M9w 8-7)       M6   Ichiyamamoto (M10e 8-7)
Endo (M7e 7-8)           M7   Mitakeumi (M7w 7-8)
Roga (M8e 7-8)           M8   Takarafuji (M10w 8-7)
Tamawashi (M11e 8-7)     M9   Midorifuji (M9e 7-8)
Meisei (M11w 8-7)        M10  Churanoumi (M4e 4-11)
Oshoma (M4w 4-11)        M11  Takerufuji (M16w 10-5)
Nishikigi (M6w 5-10)     M12  Onokatsu (M15e 9-6)
Shonannoumi (M13w 8-7)   M13  Hokutofuji (M12e 7-8)
Kinbozan (J1w 12-3 Y)    M14  Kotoshoho (M5w 3-11-1)
Hakuoho (J2w 10-5)       M15  Kitanowaka (J1e 9-6)
Kagayaki (J2e 9-6)       M16  Tamashoho (J4e 10-5)
Nishikifuji (M14w 6-9)   M17  Tokihayate (M15w 6-9)

[Gurowake]

Terunofuji(0-0 Ye)	Y
Kotozakura(14-1 Oe)	O	Hoshoryu(13-2 Ow)
	O	Onosato(9-6 Ow)
Daieisho(8-7 Sw)	S	Wakamotoharu(10-5 Ke)
Abi(11-4 M3e)	K	Wakatakakage(10-5 M2e)
Takanosho(11-4 M6e)	M1	Kirishima(6-9 Se)
Gonoyama(11-4 M8w)	M2	Atamifuji(8-7 M3w)
Tobizaru(9-6 M5e)	M3	Oho(6-9 M1e)
Shodai(4-11 Kw)	M4	Ura(5-10 M2w)
Chiyoshoma(11-4 M14e)	M5	Hiradoumi(4-11 M1w)
Takayasu(8-7 M9w)	M6	Ichiyamamoto(8-7 M10e)
Endo(7-8 M7e)	M7	Mitakeumi(7-8 M7w)
Roga(7-8 M8e)	M8	Takarafuji(8-7 M10w)
Tamawashi(8-7 M11e)	M9	Midorifuji(7-8 M9e)
Meisei(8-7 M11w)	M10	Churanoumi(4-11 M4e)
Oshoma(4-11 M4w)	M11	Takerufuji(10-5 M16w)
Nishikigi(5-10 M6w)	M12	Onokatsu(9-6 M15e)
Shonannoumi(8-7 M13w)	M13	Hokutofuji(7-8 M12e)
Kinbozan(12-3 J1w)	M14	Kotoshoho(3-11 M5w)
Hakuoho(10-5 J2w)	M15	Kitanowaka(9-6 J1e)
Tamashoho(10-5 J4e)	M16	Kagayaki(9-6 J2e)
Nishikifuji(6-9 M14w)	M17	Tokihayate(6-9 M15w)

 

I think there's 4 swaps from Asashosakari's - the two that he said Spiffy had, plus Gonoyama <> Tobizaru and Chiyoshoma <> Hiradoumi 

Edited December 16, 2024 by Gurowake

[Kaito]

5 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

After beating 254 players, how difficult can it be to beat 216? Ahem. My attempt:

 

Well pal, we have the same entry, so depending on when you entered, one of us can't win. Until recently, I always dragged my feet, revising until the last day, but this time I first entered before this thread was made. But then I went back and swapped Tamawashi in front of Midorifuji 5 days ago. You?

[Reonito]

2 hours ago, Kaito said:

Well pal, we have the same entry, so depending on when you entered, one of us can't win. Until recently, I always dragged my feet, revising until the last day, but this time I first entered before this thread was made. But then I went back and swapped Tamawashi in front of Midorifuji 5 days ago. You?

I believe this list is in order of entry...

[Wakawakawaka]

10 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

After beating 254 players, how difficult can it be to beat 216? Ahem. My attempt:

I suspect there will be a lot of entries along that general line, e.g. if I didn't miss anything in @Sumo Spiffy's video, we've got 38 slots in common (only Se/w and M11w/M12e flipped).

I usually consider it a good sign when my guess is similar to yours, however I think a lot of entries will be similar. I have the 11w/12e swap also, but more crucially I have m4w-m5w different. There's really no way to drop Oho less than 2.5 ranks, and I can't see them dropping Ura less than 2.5 ranks with 1 less win. So I have the order Chiyoshoma - Ura - Hiradoumi.

I think the make or break is going to be: Do the banzuke committee give the M4 duo a joi-parachute (they have been packing those well lately)? Or do they let them go splat by the numbers like the entries so far here have suggested.

[Asashosakari]

6 hours ago, Kaito said:

Well pal, we have the same entry, so depending on when you entered, one of us can't win. Until recently, I always dragged my feet, revising until the last day, but this time I first entered before this thread was made. But then I went back and swapped Tamawashi in front of Midorifuji 5 days ago. You?

Funny, I'm normally never submitting until some time during the last two days. But with the unusual deadline and a nagging feeling that it might be useful to be in early this time, I entered my guess 8 days ago. Must have been years, if not a decade-plus, since the last time my entry was in the upper half of the list of submissions.

Though I wouldn't be surprised at all if we're sharing our entry with even more players, including somebody who got in ahead of both of us.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Asashosakari

[Tigerboy1966]

This one is going to be high-scoring and close. I'd be surprised if it didn't take a 70+ to win it.

[Sumo Spiffy]

14 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

This one is going to be high-scoring and close. I'd be surprised if it didn't take a 70+ to win it.

Which just means we'll all tank when we see whatever drunken typo makes it into the rankings.

[Reonito]

5 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Which just means we'll all tank when we see whatever drunken typo makes it into the rankings.

I'm most worried about how leniently they might treat the M4's, but plenty of other curveballs they could throw.

[Gurowake]

On 17/12/2024 at 17:10, Sumo Spiffy said:

Which just means we'll all tank when we see whatever drunken typo makes it into the rankings.

That it seems like most people have done basically the same thing in the problem areas heavily suggests that there really isn't any other conceivable thing they'd do.  That doesn't help much though because they regularly do things inconceivable prior to it actually happening.

[Wakawakawaka]

5 hours ago, Gurowake said:

That it seems like most people have done basically the same thing in the problem areas heavily suggests that there really isn't any other conceivable thing they'd do.  That doesn't help much though because they regularly do things inconceivable prior to it actually happening.

The incongruency between reality and the conceivable can be perplexing at times.  It is quite likely the banzuke committee employ some sort form of retrocausal faster-than-light quantum schrodinger's catbox to resolve this discrepency. I myself was considering placing the M4 duo at M9, and since I didn't, they most likely will.