Kyushu 2024 discussion (results)

[Akoushousan]

Does anyone have the info on who's promised a special prize at what condition tomorrow?

[Octofuji]

51 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Very solid. He's still got to build on his mental fortitude, as exemplified by his loss to an inferior Hakuyozan after the latter pulled some shenanigans at the tachiai, but doing very good sumo and taking convincing wins.

Last time I watched his bouts his wins came mostly from slapdowns while back pedalling, it's good to hear he's found a way to win with better sumo at a higher level. He also looks like he's bulked up a bit which must help.

[Asashosakari]

5 minutes ago, Akoushousan said:

Does anyone have the info on who's promised a special prize at what condition tomorrow?

That's only getting decided a few hours before tomorrow's matches.

[Reonito]

9 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

That's only getting decided a few hours before tomorrow's matches.

With the ozeki dominating the race and no newcomers in double digits, it might be a thin prize haul. We did see none given at Aki 2018, and only one at Aki 2023 (as well as on a number of previous occasions).

[Bunbukuchagama]

7 minutes ago, Reonito said:

With the ozeki dominating the race

Ozeki yusho is a dying breed, by the way. How many have we had recently - 3 in 3 years?  

[Bunbukuchagama]

9 minutes ago, Reonito said:

it might be a thin prize haul

Abi should get one for beating 2 Ozeki (especially if Hoshoryu wins it all).

[Akinomaki]

23 minutes ago, Akoushousan said:

Does anyone have the info on who's promised a special prize at what condition tomorrow?

That's something we can make predictions about. Abi definitely gets a sansho, if Hoshoryu wins he'd be the only eligible for the shukun-sho, so they'll likely give it to him unconditionally. The newcomers failed miserable, so no kantosho there, Takanosho was in the lead for quite a while, he should get a kantosho, also without a win to reach 11. Ginosho maybe none, maybe Wakatakakage.

[Jakusotsu]

Would be nice for Tamawashi to get a kantosho for the presumably oldest kachi-koshi in Makuuchi, but I doubt it. Especially since he's eager to get many more.

[Bunbukuchagama]

3 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Would be nice for Tamawashi to get a kantosho for the presumably oldest kachi-koshi in Makuuchi, but I doubt it. Especially since he's eager to get many more.

Do they ever give out "lifetime achivement" sansho?

[Reonito]

18 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Do they ever give out "lifetime achivement" sansho?

Aminishiki got one when he returned to the top division after a longish stint in juryo late in his career and went 8-7...

[Octofuji]

There were a couple of dubious calls in Makuuchi today: Takerufuji v Ichiyamamoto (wrong winner) , and Shodai v Churanoumi (wrong kimarite).

As I understand it, if a mono-ii isn't called then that's that, the result can't be changed, which makes sense (no-one would wish the horrors of football VAR onto sumo).

But I think they can and do change the kimarite if it's clearly wrong. Churanoumi pulled on Shodai's belt, it wasn't self-inflicted and they should have changed it to something other than koshikudake. Having seen so many true slippiotoshi labelled as tsukiotoshi or hikiotoshi I was surprised this one stuck.

[Akoushousan]

2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

That's only getting decided a few hours before tomorrow's matches.

Thanks. I didn't know. Is it announced anywhere?

 

[Akoushousan]

Could Onokatsu get something if he wins?

 

[Akoushousan]

20 minutes ago, Octofuji said:

There were a couple of dubious calls in Makuuchi today: Takerufuji v Ichiyamamoto (wrong winner) , and Shodai v Churanoumi (wrong kimarite).

As I understand it, if a mono-ii isn't called then that's that, the result can't be changed, which makes sense (no-one would wish the horrors of football VAR onto sumo).

But I think they can and do change the kimarite if it's clearly wrong. Churanoumi pulled on Shodai's belt, it wasn't self-inflicted and they should have changed it to something other than koshikudake. Having seen so many true slippiotoshi labelled as tsukiotoshi or hikiotoshi I was surprised this one stuck.

I counted 3 occasions where the bout was wrongly called, or it should have been matta, during the basho. Beginning with the Abi-Hoshoryu bout. Its a shame when a bout is 'taken away' from a rikishi, especially if it impacts the yusho race.

There should be repercussions on the shimpan + the gyoji for not noticing a 'mistake'.

[Kaninoyama]

Has just felt like Hoshoryu's basho all along, as his sumo has been impeccable, but I would be happy to see Kotozakura earn his first yusho and have a chance at the rope in January. 

[Reonito]

47 minutes ago, Akoushousan said:

Thanks. I didn't know. Is it announced anywhere?

 

It'll be here around 5 or 6 am UTC Sunday.

[Akinomaki]

1 hour ago, Akoushousan said:

Could Onokatsu get something if he wins?

Being in the lead the first week doesn't count much, same for double digits in the second basho. Rather Gonoyama could get one with a win.

[Seiyashi]

5 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

That's something we can make predictions about. Abi definitely gets a sansho, if Hoshoryu wins he'd be the only eligible for the shukun-sho, so they'll likely give it to him unconditionally. The newcomers failed miserable, so no kantosho there, Takanosho was in the lead for quite a while, he should get a kantosho, also without a win to reach 11. Ginosho maybe none, maybe Wakatakakage.

I thought ōzeki weren't eligible for sanshō? 

[Gurowake]

20 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

I thought ōzeki weren't eligible for sanshō? 

He means Abi would be eligible for the Shukun-Sho if Hoshoryu wins.  I admit it's not clear if you don't know Ozeki don't get sansho.

[Gurowake]

My predictions:

Shukun-Sho: Abi

Kanto-sho: Takanosho unconditionally, plus Gonoyama if he wins

Gino-sho: Wakatakakage if he wins

Edited November 24, 2024 by Gurowake

[Reonito]

33 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

My predictions:

Shukun-Sho: Abi

Kanto-sho: Takanosho unconditionally, plus Gonoyama if he wins

Gino-sho: Wakatakakage if he wins

Good set of predictions. They could make Takanosho's conditional. I guess others in the conversation could be Wakamotoharu if he wins, but he mainly feasted on lower-ranked opponents, or Onokatsu if he wins, but it's his second makuuchi basho...

[Yamanashi]

8 hours ago, Benevolance said:

Just popped by to say, "Wow, Hoshoryu!" And Kirishima's face afterwards was like, "Seriously? That did not just happen!"

I was surprised for a minute:  "I didn't know there was a Fukuoka stop in the Fall jungyo !"

[Katooshu]

For the record...

 

[Kaninoyama]

56 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

For the record...

 

It was a clear whiff by gyoji & shimpan alike. 

[Wakawakawaka]

Still, if Hoshoryu wins tomorrow, his only loss will have been to the Gyoji. Will the Gyoji get an outstanding performance award for beating the yusho winner?