Chat GPT

[Gurowake]

So there's a lot of buzz about the capabilities of Chat GPT as a chat bot.  It doesn't know a lot of specific information, like what happened in every tournament, but it does know that, for instance, the third highest rank is Sekiwake, and it believes that a 11-4 West Sekiwake will be ranked in the east next tournament even if the East Sekiwake goes 9-6.

 

Let's say Hokutofuji was East Sekiwake and had a 9-6, while Endo was West Sekiwake and was 11-4. Assume neither are promoted to Ozeki. Who would be ranked as East Sekiwake?

 

In professional sumo, wrestlers are ranked based on their performance in the previous tournament. If a wrestler is demoted, they are ranked according to their performance in the lower division.

If Hokutofuji had a 9-6 record in the previous tournament and Endo had an 11-4 record, Endo would be ranked higher than Hokutofuji. Therefore, Endo would be considered the East Sekiwake, while Hokutofuji would be ranked lower.

It's important to note that there are other factors that can affect a wrestler's rank, such as injuries, absences, and the retirement of higher ranked wrestlers. These can all have an impact on the rankings and can result in wrestlers being promoted or demoted even if their performance in the previous tournament would not normally warrant it.

 

What's interesting to notice here is how well the program was able to parse what I was asking, and almost entirely got it right, except that it failed to understand that in similar situations in the past (Natsu 2014, Haru 2017) the Sekiwake did not switch places (Will they this time?  Who knows?), although this specific situation has not happened before.  I tried to point out the similar occurrences to it, but it wasn't able to follow me, claiming it doesn't know about current events.  So I then decided to ask something that isn't actually "current events" any more, but settled history:

 

How many Yusho did Hakuho win?

Hakuho is a highly successful wrestler in professional sumo and has won a record-tying 45 tournament championships, also known as yusho. He has won at least one yusho in every tournament he has participated in except for one, and has won multiple yusho in a single year on several occasions. He has also achieved an impressive number of runner-up finishes, or jun-yusho, and has consistently ranked among the top wrestlers in the sport throughout his career. Hakuho is widely regarded as one of the greatest wrestlers in the history of professional sumo.

 

It was correctly able to tell me how many Yusho Hakuho won, but for some reason decided that this amount *tied* the record.  So while I'm impressed by this in general, it seems we still have a long way to go towards actual general intelligence.

[Gurowake]

Oh my!

How popular is sumo in Kazakhstan?

 

Sumo is a traditional Japanese martial art and sport that originated in Japan and has a strong following in Japan and other parts of Asia. It is not as well known or as popular in other parts of the world, including Kazakhstan.

That being said, sumo has a small but dedicated following in Kazakhstan and other countries outside of Japan. In recent years, there has been an increase in the number of foreign wrestlers competing in professional sumo in Japan, including wrestlers from Kazakhstan. Additionally, sumo clubs and organizations in Kazakhstan and other countries have worked to promote the sport and raise awareness of sumo outside of Japan.

 

What wrestler has there been from Kazakhstan in professional sumo?

 

There have been a number of wrestlers from Kazakhstan who have competed in professional sumo in Japan. Some notable wrestlers from Kazakhstan include:

• Musashikuni Mamu, who competed under the shikona (ring name) of Musashikuni and reached the highest rank of sekiwake in 2003
• Asashoryu Akinori, who was the first wrestler from Kazakhstan to reach the highest rank of yokozuna and won a record-tying 25 yusho during his career
• Aran Shunkichi, who competed under the shikona of Aran and reached the rank of ozeki
• Kisenosato Yutaka, who was the first wrestler from Kazakhstan to be born and raised in Japan and reached the rank of yokozuna

There have also been other wrestlers from Kazakhstan who have competed in professional sumo at lower ranks.

 

I burst out laughing.

 

(For reference, the database lists Kazafuzan and Kinbozan as having Kazakhstan shusshin.  I don't know if any others are from there with Japanese shusshin, but I'm pretty sure those 4 aren't.)

Edited December 19, 2022 by Gurowake

[Yamanashi]

38 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

There have been a number of wrestlers from Kazakhstan who have competed in professional sumo in Japan. Some notable wrestlers from Kazakhstan include:

• Musashikuni Mamu, who competed under the shikona (ring name) of Musashikuni and reached the highest rank of sekiwake in 2003
• Asashoryu Akinori, who was the first wrestler from Kazakhstan to reach the highest rank of yokozuna and won a record-tying 25 yusho during his career
• Aran Shunkichi, who competed under the shikona of Aran and reached the rank of ozeki
• Kisenosato Yutaka, who was the first wrestler from Kazakhstan to be born and raised in Japan and reached the rank of yokozuna

This reminds me of one of those Sumo articles @Gaijingai came across; some of it was correct but not very insightful, and some of it was just wacky wrong.

[Yarimotsu]

6 hours ago, Gurowake said:

It was correctly able to tell me how many Yusho Hakuho won, but for some reason decided that this amount *tied* the record.  So while I'm impressed by this in general, it seems we still have a long way to go towards actual general intelligence.

As far as I know, these bots are getting really good at common conversations and are more and more incoherent the more niche the topic is. I don't think they do anything beyond finding the next most common word or phrase... they imitate intelligent conversation rather than being able to come up with an opinion or factoid based on information. 

For example, I think in your Sekiwake conversation the bot actually drops the inferences about sekiwake as a rank and just compares 9-6 to 11-4, which is a conversation it would be able to draw from thousands of times more datapoints. Of course 11 is better than 9. However, the next sentence where it references wrestlers correctly implies that the bot has done a targeted search and come up with its presentation from actual sumo writings. What to conclude from that specific hypothesis? Chatbots will re-write legitimate journalism and studies as somewhat-jumbled and often incorrect pseudo-conversation.

Again, if you think about why the bot might call Hakuho's achievement "record-tying", simply figure out how many times Hakuho tying a record was written about compared to how many times his record was written about in a similar sentence structure but was clear of all contenders. I'd wager that almost every article about a career achievement eclipsing all others fights two more references to a once-tied record, and the former is a much more open grammatical concept than the latter. 

And of course the Kazakhstan conversation reinforces my understanding that the bots can only hold a conversation about well-travelled topics - take them slightly off the beaten path, and they stumble and reveal their inhumanity.

 

This tech is getting impressive in its search and relevance capability, but it's not really intelligent. It's the same as asking google to create a story from the top 100 search results. Still really cool and scary to hear about.

[Jakusotsu]

Do I have to feel weird or old for not havin the slightest what this topic is about?

I don't even feel the need to be educated...

[Gurowake]

7 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

And of course the Kazakhstan conversation reinforces my understanding that the bots can only hold a conversation about well-travelled topics - take them slightly off the beaten path, and they stumble and reveal their inhumanity.

I then asked it what day of the week the date I was born on was, which it knew very easily and for once didn't give me a long-winded response.  I then asked if there were any notable people born on that day, and it gave me 4 random celebrities, who I can only assume were born on that day of the week, not the same date I was born.  I didn't think to check that last part, but I did check that none of them actually were born the same day I was.   Wikipedia does list one person born the same day as me, but they're much more obscure than the 4 celebrities provided.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Gurowake

[Kaito]

Write a script for the opening of a Seinfeld episode guest starring Hakuho.

 

Sure! Here is a script for the opening of a Seinfeld episode guest starring Hakuho:

(The show's iconic bass-heavy theme song plays as the camera pans over the city skyline. The words "Seinfeld" appear on the screen as the camera zooms in on Jerry's apartment building.)

(Inside Jerry's apartment, Jerry is sitting on his couch, flipping through channels on the TV. He stops on a sumo wrestling match.)

Jerry: (excitedly) Oh my god, it's Hakuho!

(Hakuho, a Japanese sumo wrestler, appears on the TV screen, wearing a traditional sumo wrestler's mawashi and preparing to enter the ring.)

Jerry: (to the TV) Come on, Hakuho! You got this!

(Jerry's neighbor, Kramer, enters the apartment.)

Kramer: Hey Jerry, what's going on?

Jerry: It's the sumo wrestling championships! Hakuho is about to take on the Yokozuna!

Kramer: (excitedly) Oh man, I love sumo wrestling! Can I watch with you?

Jerry: (smirking) Sure, as long as you don't mind watching a couple of big guys in diapers push each other around.

Kramer: (unfazed) Hey, there's a lot of strategy involved in sumo wrestling. It's not just brute force.

Jerry: (sarcastically) Oh, I see. So it's like a high stakes game of Red Light, Green Light.

(The two continue to watch the sumo wrestling match, rooting for Hakuho as he takes on the Yokozuna. The scene fades to black, and the words "Seinfeld" appear on the screen again.)

[Yamanashi]

9 hours ago, Kaito said:

Write a script for the opening of a Seinfeld episode guest starring Hakuho.

 

 

Sure! Here is a script for the opening of a Seinfeld episode guest starring Hakuho:

(The show's iconic bass-heavy theme song plays as the camera pans over the city skyline. The words "Seinfeld" appear on the screen as the camera zooms in on Jerry's apartment building.)

(Inside Jerry's apartment, Jerry is sitting on his couch, flipping through channels on the TV. He stops on a sumo wrestling match.)

Jerry: (excitedly) Oh my god, it's Hakuho!

(Hakuho, a Japanese sumo wrestler, appears on the TV screen, wearing a traditional sumo wrestler's mawashi and preparing to enter the ring.)

Jerry: (to the TV) Come on, Hakuho! You got this!

(Jerry's neighbor, Kramer, enters the apartment.)

Kramer: Hey Jerry, what's going on?

Jerry: It's the sumo wrestling championships! Hakuho is about to take on the Yokozuna!

Kramer: (excitedly) Oh man, I love sumo wrestling! Can I watch with you?

Jerry: (smirking) Sure, as long as you don't mind watching a couple of big guys in diapers push each other around.

Kramer: (unfazed) Hey, there's a lot of strategy involved in sumo wrestling. It's not just brute force.

Jerry: (sarcastically) Oh, I see. So it's like a high stakes game of Red Light, Green Light.

(The two continue to watch the sumo wrestling match, rooting for Hakuho as he takes on the Yokozuna. The scene fades to black, and the words "Seinfeld" appear on the screen again.)

1) What's interesting is that the AI is now at the level of a hack writer who doesn't know the subject, but has to book up on it to write a column on spec.  If you don't know the subject well yourself, it's informative.  The AI will get much better.

2) This will be on Netflix next Fall.

[Hoshotakamoto]

This is my entire conversation from start to finish.

[Hoshotakamoto]

 

 

 

 

 

[Reonito]

Safe to say chatGPT won't be winning GTB yet

[Hoshotakamoto]

1 hour ago, Reonito said:

Safe to say chatGPT won't be winning GTB yet

I definitely like the idea of ChatGPT as a pocket companion that would redraw the pertinent stats and updates on games that are impacted by match outcomes.

[Asashosakari]

Another place I frequent on the internet has been on a ChatGPT bender of sorts lately, so I've finally been exposed to it as well. My impression largely matches this:

On 19/12/2022 at 11:15, Yarimotsu said:

And of course the Kazakhstan conversation reinforces my understanding that the bots can only hold a conversation about well-travelled topics - take them slightly off the beaten path, and they stumble and reveal their inhumanity.

I just managed to confuse the bot horribly with two relatively straight-forward (and not particularly arcane) stats requests, but on a topic not commonly written about:

For reference: makushita, juryo. Neither Takakeisho nor Kyokushuzan is anywhere near the respective record.

What I find particularly puzzling is that Takakeisho didn't win a yusho in any division in 2017, and Kyokushuzan won the second of his two juryo titles after the time period indicated.

(Running the request for makuuchi gave the correct answer of Hakuho, but for some reason with only 44 championships given despite the fact that Gurowake received the right number in response to a differently-worded query two months ago.)

Edited February 18, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari]

People always said that Harumafuji was underrated. Not by ChatGPT!
 

 

[Asashosakari]

So that's what the guys who are banzuke-gai for years are really aiming for.
 

[Asashosakari]

Okay, I meant to stop there, but this last one is too good not to share:

Edit: Bonus revelations!

Edited February 18, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Reonito]

The Tachiai revelations are pure gold! 

[Asashosakari]

I also ended up asking "Who is Kintamayama?" and repeatedly regenerated ChatGPT's response to hilarious results.

Apparently, "Kintamayama" is the pseudonym of either [real name of who we know as Fay], a former Brazilian sumo wrestler by the name of Suematsu, Sumotalk's long-gone writer Clancy, or a former Bulgarian sumo wrestler by the name of Takamiyama (!). Kintamayama also runs "Jason's All-Sumo Channel" on Youtube.

[Yamanashi]

5 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

People always said that Harumafuji was underrated. Not by ChatGPT!

I guess ChatGPT heard about what Harumafuji did to the karaoke remote, and so decided some flattery would be in order.

[Kintamayama]

8 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

I also ended up asking "Who is Kintamayama?" and repeatedly regenerated ChatGPT's response to hilarious results.

Apparently, "Kintamayama" is the pseudonym of either [real name of who we know as Fay], a former Brazilian sumo wrestler by the name of Suematsu, Sumotalk's long-gone writer Clancy, or a former Bulgarian sumo wrestler by the name of Takamiyama (!). Kintamayama also runs "Jason's All-Sumo Channel" on Youtube.

I have finally been unmasked. All three of me. Damn.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari]

ChatGPT's training data is definitely not great when it comes to sumo, which probably speaks to the relative dearth of high-quality information about sumo in English, compared to other sports. Quite entertaining, however. (Left-click the images to go to Postimage and then click again on there to go to full size.)

I asked about rule changes:

Rescheduling matches must have been a chore when they only had 20 rikishi in makuuchi. The hair-pulling was probably fun to watch, though.

A query about women's sumo led to some intriguing discoveries:

Eventually, I just had to ask for more details about those 13-day tournaments that were mentioned in the first part:

Lastly, some stuff you probably didn't know about recent yokozuna yet:

The bot eventually revised its claim about yokozuna demotions to say that Futabayama (!) and Onokuni were the only two yokozuna in history to be promoted twice, but I decided to push the issue:

(Curious about this "probationary period", I asked for other examples, which turned up this gem: "Asashoryu was promoted to yokozuna in May 2003, but he was put on probation for his behavior during a match in July 2003, where he allegedly hit a man in a nightclub." That must be one of those smaller arenas they use for the 14-day tournaments.)

It's quite easy to lead the bot down a garden path of increasingly nonsensical claims. On the other hand, especially the first and third part did remind me of a number of conversations I've had here on the forum over the years, where members came up with elaborate and internally consistent explanations of aspects of sumo that unfortunately didn't actually exist in the first place. So maybe the bot is more human-like than it appears at first.

On 19/12/2022 at 05:20, Yamanashi said:

This reminds me of one of those Sumo articles @Gaijingai came across; some of it was correct but not very insightful, and some of it was just wacky wrong.

I do wonder now which of the ChatGPT claims posted above will be making a serious appearance in one of those articles first.

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Chiyotasuke]

I had to share this...

[Yarimotsu]

Well done, you guys have officially replaced the Ridiculous Predictions thread. All we need to do is feed the machine and it makes them for us!

[Asashosakari]

1 hour ago, Chiyotasuke said:

I had to share this... [snip]

No, that's an urban legend. This is what really happened:

[Athenayama]

As hilarious as all this sounds, do you know what the real problem is? In a future probably not so far away most of the people will really believe anything a given Chat GPT will tell (as I'm sure some already do).