The end?

[code_number3]

Probably the next will be Namo Sutto?

[Kishinoyama]

On 21/01/2023 at 23:14, code_number3 said:

Probably the next will be Namo Sutto?

Just saw on Facebook that Jason’s channel is now gone. Over 7,000 videos, gone. 

[Godango]

35 minutes ago, Kishinoyama said:

Just saw on Facebook that Jason’s channel is now gone. Over 7,000 videos, gone. 

Very sad, I hadn't watched his content in a few years but it was my gateway into full-fledged fandom.

Hopefully you get an easier time, @Kintamayama.

[Michishige]

I love your pre-tournament content and the various postings you provide during the year. Maybe you could do a weekly 10-minute sumo show where you go over the things you’ve heard during the week? It would be eaten up by your fans, that’s for sure! 

[Kintamayama]

Just got served with a second strike- hidden the channel for now. I hpe I did it before a third strike. Let's see what happens next.

[Kintamayama]

Announcement proclamation sadness:

 

[dingo]

This is a real shame. I agree with everything you said -- yours is entirely a fan effort and doesn't harm anyone. On the contrary, I'm sure your videos have broadened sumo's appeal worldwide. Thank you so much for all the hard work over the years! I hope we won't go back to the dark ages where there's no access to any daily basho videos. That would be enough to throw me off sumo. 

[dada78641]

It's incredibly sad, not just because it's the gateway to watching sumo for a lot of people, but also because there's very little historic sumo available to watch anywhere. It gets aired on NHK and then it vanishes into the aether. Youtubers covering the bashos not only provided a way for people to watch sumo outside of Japan, but also provided historical context by preserving people's reactions from the time of the tournament itself.

To anyone who's sitting on sumo content that they're now unable to upload, I want to suggest the Internet Archive as a possible alternative. It's not immune from takedowns either, but it's far less of a target in general. I have a couple of sumo related videos on there, including a full day of coverage because it was Hakuho's commentary debut.

But I do believe that nothing is safe if it's on the open internet and anyone who produces or stores sumo content should keep local copies if possible.

[Akinomaki]

19 minutes ago, dada78641 said:

there's very little historic sumo available to watch anywhere.

Maybe the NSK wants all old coverage down to promote their Archive basho - though that's really very limited so far

[Kishinoyama]

This is beyond ridiculous.

If the NSK would actually provide 15 days worth of coverage on YouTube then they might be surprised how many people would watch the videos. Kintamayama, Jason, Natto Sumo and many others have provided a valuable service for those of us that don’t live in Japan.
 

 

[Sumo Spiffy]

I got a strike too. I would really like to know if it's only channels uploading daily content with clips from the basho who are getting these strikes. I thought I might be OK because I don't show full fights, but apparently not; there are so many compilations out there, though, that if none of those are being touched, it does show a level where they seem to be OK with using fights as content, at least for now. Don Don's the one I'm thinking about more than anybody with this.

[Wakawakawaka]

Don't let them win, there are other platforms.

[Kintamayama]

1 hour ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Don't let them win, there are other platforms.

Not many- high traffic generates high attention.

[nelimw]

I remember the first time Natto went down I was able to watch his videos via a link in discord. I don't remember what platform he was using then though....

[Yamanashi]

This is depressing.  I'm sure many of us got hooked on Sumo from the daily videos by Kintamayama, after first seeing the one-day-late NHK digests.

[Tigerboy1966]

Jason and Kintamayama have put in thousands of hours to promote sumo to fans around the world. A lot of us would not be committed fans of the sport if it wasn't for these guys. They both did it for the love of the game. And their reward from the Kyokai is to be wiped from yt.

[Godango]

I've nothing new to say, but thanks for everything Moti-san. You've been a huge benefit to many fans around the world, and you're owed more than this insult from the Kyokai.

Hopefully common sense prevails someday soon.

[mt fuji]

I started making Juryo highlight videos & eventually Makushita videos to serve the same purpose the Kintamayama recaps do - 99% concise highlights, 1% light-hearted commentary, 0% filler or unnecessary footage! Kintamayama provided coverage when it was difficult to access and I wanted to do the same. I loved watching old tournaments in between basho and learning about legends in context. Gonna miss funny fonts Friday. And I’ll be sad to see so many dead links on Sumo DB :/

[Reonito]

18 minutes ago, mt fuji said:

I started making Juryo highlight videos & eventually Makushita videos to serve the same purpose the Kintamayama recaps do - 99% concise highlights, 1% light-hearted commentary, 0% filler or unnecessary footage! Kintamayama provided coverage when it was difficult to access and I wanted to do the same. I loved watching old tournaments in between basho and learning about legends in context. Gonna miss funny fonts Friday. And I’ll be sad to see so many dead links on Sumo DB :/

Those were great; I was a regular viewer and it allowed me to follow the lower division action.

[mt fuji]

59 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Those were great; I was a regular viewer and it allowed me to follow the lower division action.

I stopped because Natto started doing them, glad someone’s doing it whoever it is!

[Old Shatterhand is dead]

2 hours ago, mt fuji said:

I stopped because Natto started doing them, glad someone’s doing it whoever it is!

I still miss yours

[Old Shatterhand is dead]

I think someone who has all these archives (perhaps the authors) should share it via torrent. I know this is not the most fancy solution but surely the most safe. Watching the tournaments will be managed somehow in the future  but this very valuable content will be lost forever if it is not shared this way.

I would be very pleased to download it to my hard disc.

[Octofuji]

This is very sad to hear. The stats and presentation etc... is very nice on Natto but the little comments and asides on your videos were matchless. I'm still smiling at Abi's WTF?? when Hoshoryu landed on him, hilarious interview translations, font day, oshiwashi, Oh-what-a-nage! etc etc... Thank you for all these happy memories.

[Asapedroryu]

Who exactly initiated the strikes? People here are writing it was NSK fault, but isn't NHK and Abema who own the TV rights?

Once you sell your TV rights, you have no authority to claim anything. For example if I put on YouTube a primiership match with Sky TV, only Sky TV can claim anything. The clubs involved and the league cannot claim anything as they don't own the TV footage.

[Muhomatsu]

You know how I feel about this already, and I hope you can already hear my words of encouragement in your head.  Even with Natto's statistics, I preferred to watch your top division digests because of the humor and the fact that you often wrote the exact same things that were going through my head.  I guess I owe you a lot of "Jinx".

Anyway - I do hope that you can find an alternative way to keep your passions alive and to keep entertaining your followers.  Your channel, Natto's, the old Mt. Fuji - the live streams elsewhere - all of this shows there is a significant foreign demand to see sumo content.  They should seek to monetize it if they were smart and driven by their bottom line.  All these recent strikes show that the priority lies elsewhere.  Heck, if its Abema - release the geo-lock on the content!  

Any honest businessman would hire you, Natto, etc. to help them out - your knowledge and the stats are what are selling your broadcasts over any NHK digest.  Our favorite streamers add a lot of value - and as a proper economic analyst, I hate to see value destroyed.