Yubinhaad Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 I hope Asashosakari is okay, not least because I have no clue to grab and display the whole banzuke nicely like he does. So all I'm offering is Makuuchi and Juryo. Terunofuji Y - Takakeisho O Shodai Wakatakakage S Hoshoryu - S Mitakeumi Tamawashi K Kiribayama Tobizaru K Daieisho Takayasu M1 Kotonowaka Meisei M2 Ichinojo Ura M3 Midorifuji Wakamotoharu M4 Sadanoumi Hokutofuji M5 Nishikifuji Nishikigi M6 Ryuden Endo M7 Myogiryu Takarafuji M8 Tochinoshin Takanosho M9 Abi Aoiyama M10 Chiyoshoma Onosho M11 Kotoshoho Kotoeko M12 Chiyotairyu Okinoumi M13 Oho Ichiyamamoto M14 Azumaryu Kagayaki M15 Atamifuji Terutsuyoshi M16 Hiradoumi Tohakuryu J1 Chiyomaru Churanoumi J2 Bushozan Tsurugisho J3 Mitoryu Hidenoumi J4 Yutakayama Akua J5 Chiyonokuni Hokuseiho J6 Kitanowaka Tochimusashi J7 Kinbozan Shimanoumi J8 Kotokuzan Daiamami J9 Daishoho Chiyosakae J10 Kaisho Enho J11 Takakento Tokushoryu J12 Oshoma Shimazuumi J13 Roga Tsushimanada J14 Gonoyama 1 3
Yubinhaad Posted October 30, 2022 Author Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) Like last basho we have another short list of four shikona changes. Of those, two are for Onoe-beya rikishi. Nakai finally gets his first shikona after just short of nine years - Kukio. It's an interesting one, though I have no idea yet if it has a particular origin story. He also changes the given name. Meanwhile, son-of-shisho Hamasu gets his first shikona after four years - Terutaka. He also changes the first kanji of the given name, but the reading stays the same. Over in Oitekaze-beya, Okunidake is now Okuniiwa. Finally, Isegahama-beya newcomer Ishioka makes his banzuke debut as Takerufuji. Sd79e Nakai Kimitaka > Kukio Kimitaro (九鬼王 公太郎, くきおう きみたろう) Jd14w Hamasu Motohiro > Terutaka Motohiro (照寶 元啓, てるたか もとひろ) Jd83w Okunidake > Okuniiwa (大国巌, おおくにいわ) Jk15w Ishioka > Takerufuji (尊富士, たけるふじ) A further four rikishi change only the given name to their shikona, again half of them from Onoe-beya. Sd81w Ryuseiyama Ryosuke > Ryuzaburo (龍三郎, りゅうざぶろう) Jd17w Satsumasho Ryuen > Hakkai (八戒, はっかい) Jd42w Genbumaru Yusho > Yuki (雄基, ゆうき) Jd99e Fujinoteru Kazuyoshi > Kazuki (和季, かずき) The new given names for Genbumaru and Fujinoteru now match the reading of their real given name, but with different kanji. I wonder if Satsumasho's new given name, Hakkai, is intended to refer to the Eight Precepts observed by lay Buddhists. Edited October 30, 2022 by Yubinhaad 1 4
Seiyashi Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said: I wonder if Satsumasho's new given name, Hakkai, is intended to refer to the Eight Precepts observed by lay Buddhists. Another possible explanation (although related to yours) is that Hakkai is the Japanese rendering of part of the name of Sanzang/Tripitaka's second disciple from Journey to the West. AKA Pigsy, Zhu Bajie, or Cho Hakkai. No doubt, being a Buddhist-related tale, the reason why that character was named such was related to your explanation and from there our rikishi might have derived his name. Certainly doesn't hurt that of the three disciples, Zhu Bajie has a physique and appetite quite closely related to sumo wrestlers. 15 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said: Nakai finally gets his first shikona after just short of nine years - Kukio. It's an interesting one, though I have no idea yet if it has a particular origin story. He also changes the given name. An oblique reference I can find online suggests that this derives from the story of Hou Yi, who in Chinese mythology shot down 9 suns from Earth's original 10. After the suns were shot down, they first became three legged ravens, then became ghost kings. https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/52345362.html That said, there's only one very sparse response to that question on Knowledge Baidu which suggests that there isn't much in the way of written records regarding this part of Hou Yi's tale, and most of the easily available sources stop at the suns turning into ravens. It might be a folkloric extension that survived in oral traditions, but I have no idea how to even begin searching for something like that. Edited October 30, 2022 by Seiyashi 2
Reonito Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sue said: Seven lower sanyaku! The last time lower san’yaku contained 7 rikishi was 1992, with 4 S and 3 K. You have to go back even further, to 1974, to find 3 S and 4 K, with only one other instance in 1960. In all, 7 S/K has happened only 7 times, and it has been exceeded on only one occasion, when a 4-basho stretch in 1962 featured 4 Sekiwake and 4 Komusubi.
Reonito Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Makushita promotion zone: Shiden TokyoKise #1 Shonannoumi KanagawaTakadagawa Tsukahara SaitamaKasugano #2 Fujiseiun KumamotoFujishima Tokihayate MiyagiTokitsukaze #3 Daiseiryu AomoriKise Asanoyama ToyamaTakasago #4 Asanowaka NiigataTakasago Daishomaru OsakaOitekaze #5 Hakuyozan YamagataTakadagawa 2
Chartorenji Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Reonito said: Makushita promotion zone: Shiden TokyoKise #1 Shonannoumi KanagawaTakadagawa Tsukahara SaitamaKasugano #2 Fujiseiun KumamotoFujishima Tokihayate MiyagiTokitsukaze #3 Daiseiryu AomoriKise Asanoyama ToyamaTakasago #4 Asanowaka NiigataTakasago Daishomaru OsakaOitekaze #5 Hakuyozan YamagataTakadagawa Honestly a really good joi here. The two at Ms4 will be hungry to make a comeback, Tsuka and Fujiseiun are two top prospects, and Shiden wants back after the gambling scandal. should be excited 1
Gurowake Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) Shiden has really been screwed over lately. A 6-1 from Ms10 or above usually gets you right at the top of the next Makushita banzuke, but effectively never gets you into Juryo, even if you'd be ranked in Makushita ahead of rikishi who might have gotten promoted if there were more slots (like Tsukuhara and Shonannoumi). He's had two of those recently, plus he lost a lot of ground from the gambling thing which was really not much of his fault. This means he's had stronger results than are reflected in his rank, to the extent that my ranking system thinks based on his results that he should be in Makuuchi! Ok, a lot of that is there isn't much of a difference between the top and bottom of Juryo, but I thought it was rather interesting. Edited October 31, 2022 by Gurowake 2
Reonito Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Gurowake said: Shiden has really been screwed over lately. A 6-1 from Ms10 or above usually gets you right at the top of the next Makushita banzuke, but effectively never gets you into Juryo, even if you'd be ranked in Makushita ahead of rikishi who might have gotten promoted if there were more slots (like Tsukuhara and Shonannoumi). He's had two of those recently, plus he lost a lot of ground from the gambling thing which was really not much of his fault. This means he's had stronger results than are reflected in his rank, to the extent that my ranking system thinks based on his results that he should be in Makuuchi! Ok, a lot of that is there isn't much of a difference between the top and bottom of Juryo, but I thought it was rather interesting. Hoping he can KK at Ms1e so that he gets to make a sekitori debut properly. 1
Akinomaki Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Tobizaru is 2nd slowest rikishi from university to reach sanyaku, 46 basho - he had as his goal to reach it by age 30 and made it at age 30.5. o Tamawashi is 3rd oldest post-war to be (re-)promoted to sanyaku o Looking at the banzuke, it doesn't seem like a change of guards is happening - 1 of the 35 years or older veterans is in juryo, Tokushoryu, 8 are in makuuchi, with Tamawashi as the oldest, he'll turn 38 during the basho. The youngest sekitori now is new makuuchi Atamifuji, he turned 20 in September, only 5 others in makuuchi are below 25 and Kotonowaka only for 3 weeks more. 12 are 30-34, 7 in juryo - close to half of makuuchi is 30 or above. 2 years ago we had 4 at 35 and above, also with Tamawashi as the oldest, and 3 in juryo, also 12 at 30-34 - the average age in makuuchi is half a year higher now. 4 years ago we had only 1 age 35 and above in makuuchi and 3 in juryo, average makuuchi age only slightly lower, but 6 years ago it was again half a year lower. The average sekitori age overall also rose by about 1 year in these 6 years, 28.25 to 29.20, but dropped slightly from 2 years ago. Average age in sanyaku dropped from 29.79 to 29.33 in these 6 years, with the drop from 29.70 to 29.35 from 2018 to 20. The bright side for me: Ichinojo is still below 30, a bit younger than Mitakeumi, I hope he'll get at least one other yusho. 5
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