Kyushu 2022 discussion (results)

[Katooshu]

Oho's now 2-18 (discounting the fusen) during days 10-15 of his makuuchi tournaments. Losing to a strong opponent like Abi itself isn't a bad sign, but with Oho's history I wouldn't be surprised if it's down from here.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Katooshu

[Seiyashi]

24 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

First win for Takarafuji but he looks to be in real pain, and what is a man who favours hidari-yotsu supposed to do when he can't use his left arm. I haven't seen a promotion/relegation topic yet but what do you think he needs to survive? Would 3-12 be enough?

For the past two basho I'll get it up after Day 11 concludes if no one starts it before that. Very roughly, 3-12 might just be enough, especially if jūryō doesn't barge down the door and/or sanyaku shrinks. 

[maglor]

3-12 will probably do it for Takarafuji, but there are some very strong promotion cases being put together down in Juryo.

As for Oho, I suspect a large part of his "chokes" are him being paired with opponents much stronger than him. His Day 11-15 opponents last time were Hiradoumi, Myogiryu, Sadanoumi, Wakamotoharu, and Ura - the last 4 are clearly better than him. 

This time his opponents are even better - Abi and Hoshoryu. He is just outclassed.

[Seiyashi]

Sole lead for Hōshōryū. None of Ōhō, Takakeishō, Wakatakakakage, or Kiribayama look likely to stop him. 

[Seiyashi]

16 minutes ago, maglor said:

3-12 will probably do it for Takarafuji, but there are some very strong promotion cases being put together down in Juryo.

As for Oho, I suspect a large part of his "chokes" are him being paired with opponents much stronger than him. His Day 11-15 opponents last time were Hiradoumi, Myogiryu, Sadanoumi, Wakamotoharu, and Ura - the last 4 are clearly better than him. 

This time his opponents are even better - Abi and Hoshoryu. He is just outclassed.

He blew his last 5 matches on his makuuchi debut and the opponents there weren't that strong either. Chiyomaru, Ishiura, Kotoekō, Akua, and Sadanoumi. 

I agree there is likely something in his fighting slightly stronger opponents, but I don't think it's entirely due to that either. 

[sumojoann]

What was going on with the monoii involving Kiribayama and Ryuden?

[Kaito]

8 minutes ago, sumojoann said:

What was going on with the monoii involving Kiribayama and Ryuden?

I don't know what was announced, but when Kiribayama almost pulled Ryuden out of the ring at the start, he had his hand on the back of Ryuden's head. I believe they were looking for a hair pull there.

[sumojoann]

1 minute ago, Kaito said:

I don't know what was announced, but when Kiribayama almost pulled Ryuden out of the ring at the start, he had his hand on the back of Ryuden's head. I believe they were looking for a hair pull there.

Thanks.  I thought I heard the word "mage" but I couldn't see any violation.

[Kaito]

36 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Sole lead for Hōshōryū. None of Ōhō, Takakeishō, Wakatakakakage, or Kiribayama look likely to stop him. 

It's likely that Hoshoryu has made some improvement or is in slightly better than usual form, but I honestly can't tell from watching. I'd still be impressed and surprised if he got through that group with 1 loss, let alone 0.

I think Takayasu's brought the best sumo this basho and I'm still hopeful he'll come back into the lead.

[Kishinoyama]

Nice sumo from Enho and Tohakuryu. 

[rhyen]

5 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Very nice of him not to grab any unwarranted Makushita yushos. Tamashoho following in the footsteps of his sensei?

more like BIL?

[Jakusotsu]

1 hour ago, rhyen said:

more like BIL?

Er, what?

[Seiyashi]

Brother in law?

[Jakusotsu]

1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

Brother in law?

Is he? Didn't know that...

[Seiyashi]

3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Is he? Didn't know that...

Married Tamawashi's sister, apparently. I wonder if it is the same sister whom Tamawashi was going to visit that led to his introduction to sumo.

See rhyen's post below.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Akinomaki]

5 sanyaku yet to meet Takakeisho, but only 3 opportunities for that - they won't skip the ozeki bout on the last day, Hoshoryu and Wakatakakage should be the other 2 - Mitakeumi will no doubt be spared and Tamawashi is also not worthy. Shodai should get the full sanyaku schedule - and usually he's strong against them in the final third: he can afford one more loss - it's not the end for him yet as ozeki

[RabidJohn]

Watching the belated final nails go into the coffin of Mitakeumi's ozeki career has been very sad for me. After all that time getting there, his catastrophic loss of form is heart-breaking and reminiscent of Kisenosato's fall.

But that's sumo, which gives as it takes. Now we've got Hoshoryu with sole lead going into the final third of the basho. I'm still lingering on the fence with this lad. He's not as talented as his uncle was, but that's not to say he isn't still very good. Now we get to see whether or not he's a choker, which makes him way more interesting to me that he has been so far.

[Seregost]

It seems the Bolshoi theater ballet has been in Fukuoka's dohyo today. Hiradoumi, Terutsuyoshi and Ryuden, and Tokushoryu in juryo, all danced beautifully over the tawara. The funny thing is all of them lost anyways.

[Taliesin]

24 minutes ago, Seregost said:

It seems the Bolshoi theater ballet has been in Fukuoka's dohyo today. Hiradoumi, Terutsuyoshi and Ryuden, and Tokushoryu in juryo, all danced beautifully over the tawara. The funny thing is all of them lost anyways.

But Kotoekou won.

[rhyen]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Married Tamawashi's sister, apparently. I wonder if it is the same sister whom Tamawashi was going to visit that led to his introduction to sumo.

I think it is the other way around, Tamawashi married Tamashoho’s sister?

[Bakayokozuna]

What a weird year for Mitakeumi...

Starting with a yusho and a promotion to ozeki and ending maybe out of sanyaku. A shame he didnt stay healthy 

[Seregost]

40 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

But Kotoekou won.

Forgot that one. Really an outstanding tawara day.

[Akinomaki]

57 minutes ago, rhyen said:

I think it is the other way around, Tamawashi married Tamashoho’s sister?

Correct

On 23/07/2020 at 10:59, Akinomaki said:

Tamawashi used to invite his brother-in-law Kyokusoten to his home and have him eat some Mongolian food prepared by Mrs. Tamawashi, the older sister

[mt fuji]

Enho v Tohakuryu was my favorite match of the day. Enho really had to work for his kachi koshi. Tohakuryu has one of my least favorite fighting styles and I try not to be a hater but I would be happy to see him stall out before making it to Makuuchi. He did show some impressive balance I guess.

Edited November 23, 2022 by mt fuji

[Benevolance]

Will they feed Takarafuji a few of the juryo promotion hopefuls in the last few days? There aren't a lot of other wrestlers with similar, uh, records in makuchi, but he's not very close to the division cut off where I'd normally see those cross over matches.