New Oshiogawa beya

[Kintamayama]

The new heya established by ex-Takekaze (Oshiogawa Oyakata) will have a new look for the shikona of its rikishi. "All shikonae will start with Kaze*", said Oshiogawa oyakata today. "At Oguruma the kaze was a suffix, but at Oshiogawa, the kaze will be the prefix!" he declared. "I am grateful that you have left the "kaze" in there," said the retiring Oguruma Oyakata to Oshiogawa. A new recruit arrived today, Genta Sumiki, from the new Oyakata's alma mater, 1.80 meters and 150 kilos and has a lot of sumo experience, participating in various tournaments throughout the years. "He has speed and I think he can make it to Makuuchi, said the Oyakata. So he has left the heya to open his own, but the "wind" will continue to blow, said the illustrious reporter.

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi]

That sorts out whether he or Goeido will have a clash of heya markers, and leaves Takekuma-beya as the main source of Go- shikona in sumo for a long time to come.

[Asojima]

The kanji (風)/Wind shows up in over 200 shikona.  By far, the most common pronunciation is "Kaze", but it is also seen as Bu/Fu/Pu and Te.  Only Fu has been used as a prefix.  We may see some new Fu.... shikona.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Asojima

[Akinomaki]

One channel is documenting the complete construction work at Oshiogawa-beya, still a lot of work to do https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOowQQxr0LITryVTzG_g-Gw/search?query=押尾川部屋完成への道

[Kintamayama]

27 minutes ago, Asojima said:

The kanji (風) shows up in over 200 shikona.  By far, the most common pronunciation is "Kaze", but it is also seen as Bu/Fu/Pu and Te.  Only Fu has been used as a prefix.  We may see some new Fu.... shikona.

I'm pretty sure they will be read as "kaze" as Oguruma said he was happy the "kaze" will remain. I'm not sure any other reading will do it.

We shall see..

Edited February 13, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Seiyashi]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

1 hour ago, Asojima said:

The kanji (風) shows up in over 200 shikona.  By far, the most common pronunciation is "Kaze", but it is also seen as Bu/Fu/Pu and Te.  Only Fu has been used as a prefix.  We may see some new Fu.... shikona.

I'm pretty sure they will be read as "kaze" as Oguruma said he was happy the "kaze" will remain. I'm not sure any other reading will do it.

We shall see..

It may well start that way but I wouldn't rule out Fu showing up sooner or later for aesthetic reasons (Te was the anomaly from Hayateumi, I'm pretty sure, so the chances of that showing up is not very high).

The stable with the most prominent case of this would be Tamanoi, which started when Tochiazuma branched out from Kasugano and used Azuma/To as his stable trademark. While the Azuma reading (the kun'yomi reading of the kanji for east) is still dominant in the stable, no less than 4 rikishi have used that character as To (the on'yomi reading).

[Asojima]

So, we may get a shikona of  風 本 / Source of the Wind /  Kazemoto.  

Edited February 14, 2022 by Asojima

[themistyseas]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

The stable with the most prominent case of this would be Tamanoi, which started when Tochiazuma branched out from Kasugano and used Azuma/To as his stable trademark. While the Azuma reading (the kun'yomi reading of the kanji for east) is still dominant in the stable, no less than 4 rikishi have used that character as To (the on'yomi reading).

Of course you also have Oshima which seems to have started not entirely but almost entirely with Asahi- prefixes, and by the end had not entirely but almost entirely Kyoku- prefixes

[Asojima]

2 hours ago, Asojima said:

So, we may get a shikona of  風 本 / Source of the Wind /  Kazemoto.  

And another possibility might be 風 馬 露 / Windy Horse Dew / Fubaru.

[Yarimotsu]

11 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I'm pretty sure they will be read as "kaze" as Oguruma said he was happy the "kaze" will remain. I'm not sure any other reading will do it.

We shall see..

The quote from oguruma doesn't really give us any indication of whether he was happy about that specific pronunciation remaining, just that he's happy about the kanji remaining. (not that the outgoing stablemaster's opinions are the defining rule going forward, anyway). If you were to pronounce the kanji on its own you would almost always say 'kaze', so he's not indicating unique preference for that specific pronunciation just by using it. 

[Benihana]

Too bad kaze is now a prefix, not a suffix anymore. We've been waiting für guys named Winkekaze or Miezekaze way too long.

[Jakusotsu]

58 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Too bad kaze is now a prefix, not a suffix anymore. We've been waiting für guys named Winkekaze or Miezekaze way too long.

But now you can wait for Kazekuro.

[Kintamayama]

4 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

The quote from oguruma doesn't really give us any indication of whether he was happy about that specific pronunciation remaining, just that he's happy about the kanji remaining. (not that the outgoing stablemaster's opinions are the defining rule going forward, anyway). If you were to pronounce the kanji on its own you would almost always say 'kaze', so he's not indicating unique preference for that specific pronunciation just by using it. 

As I said, we shall see. It's my interpretation for many reasons, even if it's not written explicitly. a lot of stuff is not written explicitly in Japanese - I go by experience. Sometimes, I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right. 

we shall see.

[Itachiyama]

What is the address of the new Heya?

[Seiyashi]

3 hours ago, Itachiyama said:

What is the address of the new Heya?

If I read it correctly, Tokyo-to, Sumida-ku, Bunka 3-16-7. Supposed to be somewhere around this block:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/3-chōme-16+Bunka,+Sumida+City,+Tokyo+131-0044,+Japan/@35.7130561,139.8272453,18z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x60188f32656cc9e9:0x119adaf894996bc2!2s3-chōme-7+Bunka,+Sumida+City,+Tokyo+131-0044,+Japan!3b1!8m2!3d35.7122871!4d139.8248588!3m4!1s0x60188f33a7dc2d9b:0x709bba94ef466331!8m2!3d35.7128681!4d139.8272973

But I couldn't find it the last time I looked, nor could I get the approximate location from the background clues, so I'm not sure I got the address right in the first place.

 

[Yubinhaad]

4 hours ago, Itachiyama said:

What is the address of the new Heya?

According to the Kyokai oshirase, from April 1st the address is:

東京都墨田区文花3-6-3

[Kintamayama]

The heya has recruited a Mongolian, Bilguun (related to Sadogatake's Bilguun?), 19 years of age 1.82 meters and weighs 135 kilos.. He still has some time till he can enter, as he has to train at the heya, get a visa, etc. He has reached the top 16 with his high school sumo team and won a yusho at the Fukuoka prefectural tournament. "He has a great heart and knows how to be thankful. He has a very good personality so I'm really looking forward to his future. I would like him to develop his good points and will take full responsibility for him,," said Oshiogawa oyakata. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by Kintamayama

[Yubinhaad]

Ah, so he must be the Bilguun from Kibogaoka that I mentioned last summer when I thought he might be the Sadogatake recruit. Still no idea where Sadogatake found theirs then.

On 16/06/2021 at 14:10, Yubinhaad said:

One other note for future reference, he's obviously not joining this basho but it seems like Sadogatake-beya will have its first Mongolian deshi at some point. The heya website has a placeholder profile for a trainee named ガントルガ  ビルグーン, which Google spits out as Gantoruga Biruguun. I'm only guessing at this point, but it could be Bilguun from Kibogaoka high school, seen here losing rather tamely to recent Miyagino-beya recruit Mukainakano a couple of years ago at the Interhigh.

 

[Seiyashi]

59 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

Ah, so he must be the Bilguun from Kibogaoka that I mentioned last summer when I thought he might be the Sadogatake recruit. Still no idea where Sadogatake found theirs then.

 

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202202160001094.html

Nikkan gives his name as Tsogoo Bilguun, though, quite different from Gantulga?

[Akinomaki]

9 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:

Ah, so he must be the Bilguun from Kibogaoka that I mentioned last summer when I thought he might be the Sadogatake recruit. Still no idea where Sadogatake found theirs then.

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202202160001094.html

Nikkan gives his name as Tsogoo Bilguun, though, quite different from Gantulga?

He is from Kibogaoka though. About half a year as kenshuusei/trainee awaits him. In addition to the one basho delay for visa purposes, in all the career of a foreigner is cut down by 4 basho with this NSK measure. It was justified with the need to have foreigners adapt, but Bilguun went to high school in Japan and Oshiogawa is very pleased that he can speak and write Japanese. Most recent foreigners went to high school or even university in Japan.

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[Yubinhaad]

38 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202202160001094.html

Nikkan gives his name as Tsogoo Bilguun, though, quite different from Gantulga?

Some crossed wires here, sorry for the confusion. Bilguun of Sadogatake was the one I wrote about last year, and I thought he was from Kibogaoka since that's the only Bilguun I could find with any sumo involvement. Now we know that the new Bilguun for Oshiogawa is from Kibogaoka, it's in that Nikkan article.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Yubinhaad

[Muhomatsu]

3 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Ah, so he must be the Bilguun from Kibogaoka that I mentioned last summer when I thought he might be the Sadogatake recruit. Still no idea where Sadogatake found theirs then.

 

According to the Reiwa 4 Sumo Yearbook, the Sadogatake Bilguun is out of Saitama Sakae (but quit after the second year).

[Akinomaki]

The Niigata pref. Ogata village ( the oyakata is PR ambassador there and was Olympic torch bearer) based koenkai for Oshiogawa-beya had given the heya the name plate in February

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and from the old high school of the oyakata they now received 50 zabuton.

The head of the koenkai and the no.2 were at the heya on the 27th

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[Kamitsuumi]

Here are the floor plans on the official site for the apartments above the heya: https://www.creativehouse.jp/share

The heya itself extends to the third floor of the six-storey building, with the second and third floors actually shared with two rental rooms each. The fourth floor has single rooms, and the fifth and sixth floors have 1-bedroom suites for rent.

[Benihana]

The rent for the mini-apartments (click on ONE ROOM for 5/6th floor) seems quite reasonable for a location like this. About $/€ 700 for 25m² in Tokyo. Gets a "there's nothing to complain about", which is the nicest thing a German can say.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Benihana