The Wall

[Ack!]

6 hours ago, Katooshu said:

I remember learning that Akebono made it to sekiwake before taking his first MK. That seemed so impressive at the time (and it still is), but making yokozuna without a MK is something else.

But Akebono made it without a Ms60TD -- 18 straight KK.  Apples and oranges but both very tasty!  

[Ack!]

Nagoya 2025, Starting lineup:

Y1w Onosato: 13 KK, 135-44, 4x M yusho

S1e Aonishiki: 10 KK, 82-20, Jd, Jk yusho

M14e Kusano: 7 KK, 51-14, 2x J yusho

J11w Mita: 5 KK, 30-11-2

Ms6e Inami: 8 KK, 39-17

Ms9w Goshima: 2 KK, 12-2

Ms15w Fukuzaki: 2 KK, 11-3

Ms54w Furuta: 5 KK, 25-10

Sd35e Wakaikazuchi: 3 KK, 16-5

Sd43e Gonosho: 3 KK, 16-5

Sd48e Tenrosei: 2 KK, 12-2

Sd67e Okada: 3 KK, 15-6

Sd78w Sunasaka: 2 KK, 11-3

Jd10e Ikazuchihayate: 3 KK, 13-8

Jd33e Hikarumusashi: 2 KK, 9-5

Jd35e Tsurunofuji: 2 KK, 9-5

Honorable Mentions:

M14w Fujinokawa (Wakaikari): 10 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 85-42-3, Sd yusho

Ms1e Kyokukaiyu: 5 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 48-15, Sd yusho

Ms17w Daikosho: 3 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 36-13

Ms53e Fujizumi: 5 KK after 2 years banzuke-gai and only 1 prior non-kyujo MK, 44-19-28

Edited November 25 by Ack!

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Nagoya 2025, Senshuraku (Final):

I've been mostly offline for vacation, so better late than never.  Interesting patterns on The Wall this tournament: top 4 all 11-4; alternating KKs and MKs from Fukuzaki on down; 7 of 11 newbies with consistent records from the last 2 basho.  Of Onosato, Aonishki and Kusano, who will be the first off The Wall?

Y1w Onosato: 11-4, 14 KK, 146-48, 4x M yusho

M1e Aonishiki: 11-4, 11 KK, 93-24, Jd, Jk yusho

M14e Kusano: 11-4, 8 KK, 62-18, 2x J yusho

J11w Mita: 11-4, 6 KK, 41-15-2, J yusho

Ms6e Inami: 3-4, 8 KK, 42-21

Ms9w Goshima: 4-3, 3 KK, 16-5

Ms15w Fukuzaki: 5-2, 3 KK, 16-5

Ms54w Furuta: 3-4, 5 KK, 28-14

Sd35e Wakaikazuchi: 4-3, 4 KK, 20-8

Sd43e Gonosho: 3-4, 3 KK, 19-9

Sd48e Tenrosei: 6-1, 3 KK, 18-3

Sd67e Okada: 2-4-1, 3 KK, 17-10-1

Sd78w Sunasaka: 4-3, 3 KK, 15-6

Jd10e Ikazuchihayate: 3-4, 3 KK, 16-12

Jd33e Hikarumusashi: 6-1, 3 KK, 15-6

Jd35e Tsurunofuji: 1-6, 2 KK, 10-11

New Gyotoku: 5-2, 2 KK, 11-3

New Hanaoka: 6-1, 2 KK, 10-4

New Ikazuchishu: 4-3, 2 KK, 10-4

New Uchima: 5-2, 2 KK, 10-4

New Koseiryu: 5-2, 2 KK, 10-4

New Matsuda: 5-2, 2 KK, 10-4

New Kazekodai: 4-3, 2 KK, 8-6

New Shunta: 4-3, 2 KK, 8-6

New Wakajin: 4-3, 2 KK, 8-6

New Umeyama: 4-3, 2 KK, 8-6

New Mitsurufuji: 5-2, 2 KK, 9-5

Honorable Mentions:

M14w Fujinokawa (Wakaikari): 10-5, 10 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 95-47-3, Sd yusho

Ms1e Kyokukaiyu: 5-2, 5 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 53-17, Sd yusho

Ms17w Daikosho: 2-5, 3 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 38-18

Ms53e Fujizumi: 0-0-7, 5 KK after 2 years banzuke-gai and only 1 prior non-kyujo MK, 44-19-35

New Seihakuho: 5-2, 4 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 40-16

Edited August 7 by Ack!

[hypnoowl]

Fresh juryo yusho is missing for Mita. Also such a shame about Fujiizumi, will he go AWOL again?

[Koorifuu]

20 hours ago, hypnoowl said:

Fresh juryo yusho is missing for Mita. Also such a shame about Fujiizumi, will he go AWOL again?

Technically it was AWL  Nishikido endorsed his temporary departure.

[Ack!]

Aki 2025, Starting lineup:

Y1e Onosato: 14 KK, 146-48, 4x M yusho

K1w Aonishiki: 11 KK, 93-24, Jd, Jk yusho

M6w Kusano: 8 KK, 62-18, 2x J yusho

J4w Mita: 6 KK, 41-15-2

Ms5w Goshima: 3 KK, 16-5

Ms6w Fukuzaki: 3 KK, 16-5

Ms14e Gyotoku: 2 KK, 11-3

Ms22e Hanaoka: 2 KK, 10-4

Ms57w Tenrosei: 3 KK, 18-3

Sd22e Wakaikazuchi: 4 KK, 20-8

Sd51ee Hikarumusashi: 3 KK, 15-6

Sd59w Sunasaka: 3 KK, 15-6

Jd17e Ikazuchishu: 2 KK, 10-4

Jd23w Uchima: 2 KK, 10-4

Jd24w Koseiryu: 2 KK, 10-4

Jd27e Matsuda: 2 KK, 10-4

Jd39w Mitsurufuji: 2 KK, 9-5

Jd49w Kazekodai: 2 KK, 8-6

Jd51e Shunta: 2 KK, 8-6

Jd52w Wakajin: 2 KK, 8-6

Jd54w Umeyama: 2 KK, 8-6

Honorable Mentions:

M9w Fujinokawa (Wakaikari): 10 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 95-47-3, Sd yusho

J13e Kyokukaiyu: 5 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 53-17, Sd yusho

Ms10e Seihakuho: 4 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 40-16

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Aki 2025, Senshuraku (Final):

You might characterize this basho on The Wall as a failure sandwich: 8 of 9 in the middle MK while the top 5 and 5 of the bottom 7 KK.  Two rikishi hit the wall with overall career losing records after 3 basho, and not just marginally so.

Y1e Onosato: 13-2Y, 15 KK, 159-50, 5x M yusho

K1w Aonishiki: 11-4, 11 KK, 104-28, Jd, Jk yusho

M6w Kusano: 8-7, 9 KK, 70-25, 2x J yusho

J4w Mita: 9-6, 7 KK, 50-22-2

Ms5w Goshima: 6-1, 4 KK, 22-6

Ms6w Fukuzaki: 2-5, 3 KK, 18-10

Ms14e Gyotoku: 0-2-5, 2 KK, 11-5-5

Ms22e Hanaoka: 4-3, 3 KK, 14-7

Ms57w Tenrosei: 3-4, 3 KK, 21-7

Sd22e Wakaikazuchi: 3-4, 4 KK, 23-12

Sd51e Hikarumusashi: 2-5, 3 KK, 17-11

Sd59w Sunasaka: 1-6, 3 KK, 16-12

Jd17e Ikazuchishu: 3-4, 2 KK, 13-8

Jd23w Uchima: 3-4, 2 KK, 13-8

Jd24w Koseiryu: 6-1, 3 KK, 16-5

Jd27e Matsuda: 4-3, 3 KK, 14-7

Jd39w Mitsurufuji: 0-7, 2 KK, 9-12

Jd49w Kazekodai: 4-3, 3 KK, 12-9

Jd51e Shunta: 4-3, 3 KK, 12-9

Jd52w Wakajin: 4-3, 3 KK, 12-9

Jd54w Umeyama: 1-6, 2 KK, 9-12

Honorable Mentions:

M9w Fujinokawa (Wakaikari): 6-9, 10 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 101-56-3, Sd yusho

J13e Kyokukaiyu: 6-9, 5 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 59-26, Sd yusho

Ms10e Seihakuho: 5-2, 4 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 45-18

[Reonito]

Do we know anything about the severity of Gyotoku's injury and when he might be back? He looked awesome until he got hurt.

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Kyushu 2025 starting lineup:

Kaki has made a splash having taken both the Jd and Jk yushos back to back.  Let's hope he doesn't get cocky! 

Y1e Onosato: 15 KK, 159-50, 5x M yusho

S1e Aonishiki: 11 KK, 104-28, Jd, Jk yusho

M5e Yoshinofuji (Kusano): 9 KK, 70-25, 2x J yusho

J3e Mita: 7 KK, 50-22-2

J13w Fujiryoga (Goshima): 4 KK, 22-6

Ms16e Hanaoka: 3 KK, 14-7

Ms24w Ryusho: 2 KK, 10-4

Sd31e Kaki: 2 KK, 13-1, Jd, Jk yusho

Sd43e Koseiryu: 3 KK, 16-5

Sd60w Yabugasaki: 2 KK, 12-2

Jd7e Matsuda: 3 KK, 14-7

Jd10w Tanaka: 2 KK, 10-4

Jd24w Kazekodai: 3 KK, 12-9

Jd25w Shunta: 3 KK, 12-9

Jd26w Wakajin: 3 KK, 12-9

Jd56e Shimogama: 2 KK, 8-6

Honorable Mentions:

Ms5w Seihakuho: 4 KK, 1 MK, 4 more KK, 45-18

Ms10w Noda: 5 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 43-20

Ms20w Gonoumi: 4 KK, 1 MK + 5 kyujo, 5 more KK, 59-23-30

Ms28e Shimizuumi: 4 KK + Jd, Jk yusho, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 38-18

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Kyushu 2025, Senshuraku (Final):

Lots of green and lots of yushos on The Wall this basho: 

Y1e Onosato: 11-4, 17 KK, 170-54, 5x M yusho

S1e Aonishiki: 12-3Y, 13 KK, 116-31, Jk, Jd, M yusho

M5e Yoshinofuji (Kusano): 9-6, 10 KK, 79-31, 2x J yusho

J3e Mita: 0-3-12, 7 KK, 50-24-14

J13w Fujiryoga (Goshima): 13-2Y, 5 KK, 35-8, J yusho

Ms16e Hanaoka: 4-3, 4 KK, 18-10

Ms24w Ryusho: 6-1, 3 KK, 16-5

Sd31e Kaki: 7-0Y, 3 KK, 20-1, Jk, Jd, Sd yusho

Sd43e Koseiryu: 1-1-5, 3 KK, 17-6-5

Sd60w Yabugasaki: 6-1, 3 KK, 18-3

Jd7e Matsuda: 5-2, 4 KK, 19-9

Jd10w Tanaka: 1-6, 2 KK, 11-10

Jd24w Kazekodai: 5-2, 4 KK, 17-11

Jd25w Shunta: 2-5, 3 KK, 14-14

Jd26w Wakajin: 4-3, 4 KK, 16-12

Jd56e Shimogama: 4-3, 3 KK, 12-9

Honorable Mentions:

Ms5w Seihakuho: 4-3, 4 KK, 1 MK, 5 more KK, 49-21

Ms10w Noda: 3-4, 5 KK, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 46-24

Ms15w Kazuma: 7-0Y, 1 KK, 4 kyujo, 4 more KK, 31-2-30, Ms yusho

Ms20w Gonoumi: 3-4, 4 KK, 1 MK, 5 kyujo, 5 more KK, 62-27-30

Ms28e Shimizuumi: 2-5, 4 KK + Jd, Jk yusho, 1 MK, 3 more KK, 40-23

[RabidJohn]

Will Onosato remain atop the wall until intai? I doubt he'll ever post an on-dohyo MK now.

Or will a combined losses + kyujo > wins knock him off?

[Hakumadashi]

13 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Will Onosato remain atop the wall until intai? I doubt he'll ever post an on-dohyo MK now.

Or will a combined losses + kyujo > wins knock him off?

I’d wager it’s incredibly unlikely he never goes Kyujo before 8 wins, but a full 8 losses will never happen . Surely. 
Have to mention that Hakuoho just got his first MK in that manner. Quite impressive streak. 

[Koorifuu]

It's not that unlikely. All it takes is Aonishiki making yokozuna, then scoring more wins than Onosato at any tournament at all. That'd bump him over Onosato on the next banzuke.

(I wouldn't consider an ozeki going kadoban as hitting the wall, personally. They'd still be ozeki at least once more. If they get demoted, then sure.)

Edited November 25 by Koorifuu
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[RabidJohn]

1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

It's not that unlikely. All it takes is Aonishiki making yokozuna, then scoring more wins than Onosato at any tournament at all. That'd bump him above Onosato on the next banzuke.

If Aonishiki does it, I'd consider them both "atop the wall" regardless of who's E and W.
That's assuming, of course, that they both keep their KK runs going.

Having a yokozuna on the wall feels like new territory to me, which is why I'm asking about the circumstances that will be regarded as Onosato having hit the wall.

Edited November 25 by RabidJohn

[Koorifuu]

19 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

If Aonishiki does it, I'd consider them both "atop the wall" regardless of who's E and W.
That's assuming, of course, that they both keep their KK runs going.

Having a yokozuna on the wall feels like new territory to me, which is why I'm asking about the circumstances that will be regarded as Onosato having hit the wall.

My 2p is that there's no more wall for them to hit. They've cleared all of them. Well done.

[Ack!]

11 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Will Onosato remain atop the wall until intai? I doubt he'll ever post an on-dohyo MK now.

Or will a combined losses + kyujo > wins knock him off?

Historically, kyujo does count as hitting the wall.  I believe I am carrying that on consistent with how the originator of this thread handled it.  That's not to say he couldn't reappear as an honorable mention.

6 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Having a yokozuna on the wall feels like new territory to me, which is why I'm asking about the circumstances that will be regarded as Onosato having hit the wall.

It is weird.  I haven't done a poll on the forum before, but maybe one should be about how long Onosato will remain on top?

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6 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

My 2p is that there's no more wall for them to hit. They've cleared all of them. Well done.

If and when Aonishiki makes yokozuna, he will have done it without the Ms60SD shortcut, potentially going from Mz to yokozuna without MK.   I challenge the SumoDB query experts to find anyone else who has done that from any era. 

Edited November 25 by Ack!

[Hakumadashi]

11 minutes ago, Ack! said:

If and when Aonishiki makes yokozuna, he will have done it without the Ms60SD shortcut, potentially going from Mz to yokozuna without MK.   I challenge the SumoDB query experts to find anyone else who has done that from any era. 

If I'm not mistaken Onosato was the first to reach Yokozuna without a MK in the modern era, so for that he would certainly be the first. In pre-modern times it seems to have been somewhat common (although many holes exist in the records of course), but that's just a completely different thing from doing what Onosato has done and let alone what Aonishiki could do.

[RabidJohn]

11 hours ago, Ack! said:

... I haven't done a poll on the forum before, but maybe one should be about how long Onosato will remain on top?

My view is that anyone who gets a rope without ever having a maki-koshi has cleared the wall, so Onosato should no longer be on the list.

'Honorable mentions' would seem appropriate, because I can't think of anything more honorable, but he's too good for the current company in that section. Maybe he should be in a category of his own.

[Reonito]

5 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

My view is that anyone who gets a rope without ever having a maki-koshi has cleared the wall, so Onosato should no longer be on the list.

'Honorable mentions' would seem appropriate, because I can't think of anything more honorable, but he's too good for the current company in that section. Maybe he should be in a category of his own.

He can be the first graduate of the Wall.

[Fashiritētā]

Maybe hes trying to be the first “over” the wall Sumo wrestler.

yes, that was a pro wrestling phrase.

[Ack!]

4 hours ago, Reonito said:

He can be the first graduate of the Wall.

Interesting framing for this discussion...I think I like it

[Naganoyama]

Perhaps he should be inducted to the Wall of Fame.

[Fashiritētā]

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