Jejima Posted July 6, 2021 Author Posted July 6, 2021 I have received penalty takers from everyone for the finals now - and even an extra one from someone competing in the Saucer final. (I already had the Saucer Final penalty takers!). Many thanks everyone.
Jakusotsu Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 All line-ups received, and all are in order - well played, guys! They'll be published shortly before kick-off to allow for possible changes of mind.
Joaoiyama Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, Pitinosato said: I am only lacking one line-up from @Joaoiyama Sadly my line-up is only Denmark.
Jejima Posted July 6, 2021 Author Posted July 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, Joaoiyama said: Sadly my line-up is only Denmark. Yes, but is it... 1. Denmark 1st, 2. Denmark 2nd, 3. Denmark ET or 1. Denmark 2nd, 2, Denmark ET, 3. Denmark 1st or one of the other 4 possible combinations?
Chijanofuji Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Jejima said: Apart from the Italy 1st, of course. Yes, that's the same for both Shounokuni and me. Just to be clear, I'm betting on a draw after tonight's first half of Italy v Spain (which is quite likely statistically), that's why I'm using my (C) slot for Spain (1st half) there. I expect Italy to come out on top after 90 minutes, and they could also possibly lead after the first half (which is now irrelevant in our match) so that why I have their 1st half in slot 2 and their 2nd half in slot 3.... I expect England to beat Denmark tomorrow after 90 minutes, but now I'm obviously strongly rooting for the Danes to defy my prediction...
Godango Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Jejima said: Apart from the Italy 1st, of course. That cursed S2 bamboozled me! I'm leaving my error there for posterity. 1
Nekonishiki Banji Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 Refioji NekonishikiSemifinal matches - Day 1 Bowl Semifinal - Match 1The Winner progresses to the Bowl Finals. The Loser goes home. Nantonoyama (Italy) vs chishafuwaku (Portugal) Nantonoyama 1. England (S1) (2) 2. England (S1) (1) 3. Italy (2) 4. Italy (1) 5. England (S1) (ET) 6. Italy (ET) ®chishafuwaku 1. Italy (2) 2. Italy (1) 3. Italy (ET) 4. Spain (S1) (2) 5. Spain (S1) (1) 6. Spain (S1) (ET) Comments of the players: Nantonoyama: And now the R power begins to be really dangerous to use. First time in my life that I say it, but GO ENGLAND!!! chishafuwaku: I'm dead unless DENMARK gets a win out of the blue. Piece of cake! Cup Semifinal - Match 1The Winner progresses to the Cup Finals. The Loser progresses to the 3rd place play-off. Fujiko (Denmark) vs Ganzohnesushi (Austria) Fujiko 1. England (1) 2. England (2) 3. England (ET) 4. Italy (1) 5. Italy (2) 6. Italy (ET) 7. Denmark (1) 8. Denmark (2) 9. Denmark (ET) ®Ganzohnesushi 1. Italy (S1) (2) 2. Italy (S1) (ET) 3. Denmark (ET) 4. Italy (S1) (1) 5. Denmark (1) 6. Spain (ET) 7. Spain (1) 8. Denmark (2) 9. Spain (2) Two slots have been removed, but there are quite enough left. :) Comments of the players: Fujiko: Go England, go! Ganzohnesushi: Rooting for Denmark. If Danish Dynamite doesn't get wet in London they can make it to the final. Oh, and I'm representing Felix Austria. It is their first semi final in a tournament since 1954 World Cup when they were crushed by West Germany (1-6). Here is hope for a much better result.
Jakusotsu Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 Both of "my" matches are featuring uncanny similarities: both have identical teams on each side, both have only one slot in common, which is England (2nd) in slot #1, and both times it's not discarded because of special team status - what are the odds?! Bowl Semifinals Match 2:Jejima: 1. England ® (2nd), 2. England (1st), 3. Spain (ET), 4. Spain (2nd), 5. Italy (1st), 6. Spain (1st), 7. Italy (ET), 8. Italy (2nd), 9. England (ET)Comment: Normally I would play it safe and put England ET first as my R team. But my aite has an identical team to myself, so I need to find a way to break the deadlock, and so I will confidently gamble by putting the 'R' into the first slot, in a time event that has to happen. For some reason, I have the hunch that Spain will do better than Italy - which is probably very wrong. But I can also see Italy leading at half-time.... vs.Pitinosato: 1. England (2nd), 2. England (ET), 3. England (1st), 4. Italy (S1) (1st), 5. Italy (S1) (2nd), 6. Italy (S1) (ET), 7. Spain (ET), 8. Spain (2nd), 9. Spain (1st)Comment: Same Teams, but Jezz with his R-Team. Advantage ? or Disadvantage ? We will see.... Jejima 0:0 Pitinosato (England) (Netherlands) England ® (2nd) : England (2nd) England (1st) : England (ET) Spain (ET) : England (1st) Spain (2nd) : Italy (S1) (1st) Italy (1st) : Italy (S1) (2nd) Spain (1st) : Italy (S1) (ET) Italy (ET) : Spain (ET) Italy (2nd) : Spain (2nd) England (ET) : Spain (1st) Cup Semifinals Match 2: Godango: 1. England © (2nd), 2. England (1st), 3. England (ET), 4. Italy (ET), 5. Italy (1st), 6. Italy (2nd), 7. Denmark (ET), 8. Denmark (1st), 9. Denmark (2nd)Comment: I fear with the arrival of the finals format my wave of good fortune may be over. But there are no losers here, I've had a good time and gained a new appreciation for the world's most popular sport. HAKKEYOI! (also psych I'm totally gonna win). vs.Djodjoyoshi: 1. England (S1) (2nd), 2. Italy (2nd), 3. England (S1) (1st), 4. Italy (1st), 5. Denmark (1st), 6. Denmark (2nd), 7. Italy (ET), 8. Denmark (ET), 9. England (S1) (ET)Comment: My cousin told me that I'm facing a strong and nice opponent this time (yeah, he's hypocrit too). Anyway, nice to meet you Godango from distant Australia, may the best win ! Godango 0:0 Djodjoyoshi (Hungary) (Poland) England © (2nd) : England (S1) (2nd) England (1st) : Italy (2nd) England (ET) : England (S1) (1st) Italy (ET) : Italy (1st) Italy (1st) : Denmark (1st) Italy (2nd) : Denmark (2nd) Denmark (ET) : Italy (ET) Denmark (1st) : Denmark (ET) Denmark (2nd) : England (S1) (ET)
Pitinosato Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Plate Seminfinals, Line-ups Notice: yellow card for Joaoiyama for droning Comment Athenayama: Can we use the Plate as a snowboard? (Comment Pitinosato: - please NOT !!!) All in the hands of Denmark and England 3 against 9 !!! But a win of the spaniards, in one or even 2 halfs.... Edited July 6, 2021 by Pitinosato
Jakusotsu Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 Half-time report Just like in Wembley, no decision to be found. Let's hope for the second semifinal to spare us from penalty shoot-out! Bowl Semifinals Match 2: Jejima 0:0 Pitinosato (England) (Netherlands) England ® (2nd) : England (2nd) England (1st) : England (ET) Spain (ET) D °: England (1st) Spain (2nd) D °:° D Italy (S1) (1st) Italy (1st) D °:° D Italy (S1) (2nd) Spain (1st) D °:° D Italy (S1) (ET) Italy (ET) D °:° D Spain (ET) Italy (2nd) D °:° D Spain (2nd) England (ET) :° D Spain (1st) Cup Semifinals Match 2: Godango 0:0 Djodjoyoshi (Hungary) (Poland) England © (2nd) : England (S1) (2nd) England (1st) :° D Italy (2nd) England (ET) : England (S1) (1st) Italy (ET) D °:° D Italy (1st) Italy (1st) D °: Denmark (1st) Italy (2nd) D °: Denmark (2nd) Denmark (ET) :° D Italy (ET) Denmark (1st) : Denmark (ET) Denmark (2nd) : England (S1) (ET)
Nekonishiki Banji Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 Refioji NekonishikiSemifinal matches - Day 1 Nantonoyama vs chishafuwaku chishafuwaku has already finished, full draw, waiting for England tomorrow. Fujiko vs Ganzohnesushi Not bad beginning for Ganzohnesushi. Actually not much more can be said yet. We'll see what England and Denmark play. Color coding:
Godango Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Bench Euros 2020 Saucer Finals What an opening round! @Chijanofuji has his first 6 slots loaded with draws -- not a terrible position to be in. Match Results - End of Day 1 Score Result Shounokuni (Ukraine) vs Chijanofuji (Slovakia) Result Score England (S1) 2nd Spain (C) 1st D D Italy 1st Italy (S2) 1st D Denmark (C) ET Italy 2nd D D Italy 2nd Spain 2nd D England ET Italy ET D England 1st Spain ET D D Italy ET Denmark 1st Denmark 1st Denmark 2nd Denmark 2nd Denmark ET 0 Total Score 0 So -- if I understand correctly (and that is often not the case) -- if England win in regular time -- the match will go to Shounokuni. Otherwise, there are a few ways this can go down: If England Lead at Half-Time: If Denmark Lead at Half-Time: If it's a draw after half-time: For the love of kami correct me if I'm wrong -- I admittedly did this pretty quickly. Good luck to both players! Edited July 6, 2021 by Godango 1 3
Chijanofuji Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, Godango said: Bench Euros 2020 Saucer Finals What an opening round! @Chijanofuji has his first 6 slots loaded with draws -- not a terrible position to be in. For the love of kami correct me if I'm wrong -- I admittedly did this pretty quickly. Good luck to both players! I only looked at this very quickly, but at first glance I think you got it spot on! And kudos for your innovative way to present this!
Pitinosato Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) Plate Seminfinals, Halftime standings Nothing happend, draws or not yet played Decision today.... 3 draws for Kumo-Koma, difficult to score.... but to reach the extra time is obvoiusly possible We will see what England will do tonight.... Edited July 7, 2021 by Pitinosato
Pitinosato Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Half-time report Just like in Wembley, no decision to be found. Let's hope for the second semifinal to spare us from penalty shoot-out! Bowl Semifinals Match 2: Jejima 0:0 Pitinosato (England) (Netherlands) England ® (2nd) : England (2nd) England (1st) : England (ET) Spain (ET) D °: England (1st) Spain (2nd) D °:° D Italy (S1) (1st) Italy (1st) D °:° D Italy (S1) (2nd) Spain (1st) D °:° D Italy (S1) (ET) Italy (ET) D °:° D Spain (ET) Italy (2nd) D °:° D Spain (2nd) England (ET) :° D Spain (1st) Hey Jakusotsu, won't you do such a unbelievable Matrix like Godango ??? I want to know in which constellation I will win If there is a constellation I can win... Pitinosato
Jakusotsu Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Pitinosato said: Hey Jakusotsu, won't you do such a unbelievable Matrix like Godango ??? Because I always fall asleep when I try to watch that movie.
Jejima Posted July 7, 2021 Author Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Godango said: Bench Euros 2020 Saucer Finals What an opening round! @Chijanofuji has his first 6 slots loaded with draws -- not a terrible position to be in. Match Results - End of Day 1 Score Result Shounokuni (Ukraine) vs Chijanofuji (Slovakia) Result Score England (S1) 2nd Spain (C) 1st D D Italy 1st Italy (S2) 1st D Denmark (C) ET Italy 2nd D D Italy 2nd Spain 2nd D England ET Italy ET D England 1st Spain ET D D Italy ET Denmark 1st Denmark 1st Denmark 2nd Denmark 2nd Denmark ET 0 Total Score 0 So -- if I understand correctly (and that is often not the case) -- if England win in regular time -- the match will go to Shounokuni. Otherwise, there are a few ways this can go down: If England Lead at Half-Time: If Denmark Lead at Half-Time: If it's a draw after half-time: For the love of kami correct me if I'm wrong -- I admittedly did this pretty quickly. Good luck to both players! Does this take into account that each half is treated as separate? For example, if England are leading 2-0 at half-time, but Denmark score one goal in the second half, so the result ends up as 2-1 to England, and an England win. But for the purposes of this game, the first half is considered as a win to England, and the second half as a win to Denmark. I think that eventuality could break the Matrix? Edited July 7, 2021 by Jejima
Chijanofuji Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Jejima said: Does this take into account that each half is treated as separate? For example, if England are leading 2-0 at half-time, but Denmark score one goal in the second half, so the result ends up as 2-1 to England, and an England win. But for the purposes of this game, the first half is considered as a win to England, and the second half as a win to Denmark. I think that eventuality could break the Matrix? As far as I can tell it does take that into account. We'll go through your example to double-check... If England lead at halftime - follow Godango's top matrix. Then in that matrix choose one of the tree scenarios depending on the result after 90 minutes. So in your example where Denmark only scores 1 goal in the 2nd half, England wins after 90 minutes, so choose the option on the left "ENG Win in regular time". Result "Shounokuni wins"! And if I calculate this example "the regular way" - bearing in mind I already have draws in slots 1-6, while Shounokuni already has draws in slots 2, 4 and 7: Shounokuni scores 1-0 in slot one because of England's win after 90 minutes, but neither chain breaks (I have my (C) team there with a draw). In slot 2 Shounokuni and I both have exactly the same, so no change, and neither chain breaks. In slot 3 - no extra time for Shounokuni's (C) Denmark, counts as a draw, none of us score, and neither chain breaks. In slot 4 Shounokuni and I both have draws, none of us score, and neither chain breaks. In slot 5 - no extra time for Shounokuni's England, counts as a draw, none of us score, and neither chain breaks. In slot 6 Shounokuni scores 2-0 because of England's lead after the 1st half, neither chain breaks. In slot 7 Shounokuni's Italy ET does not score because of the draw, my Denmark 1st does not cost me an extra goal, but my chain does break because of it! This would secure the win for Shounokuni. In slot 8 we would both have a loss, no extra goal scored for Shounokuni And finally in slot 9 Shounokuni's Denmark 2nd gets a loss because Denmark did not lead after the 2nd half, and his chain is broken by my Denmark ET (which counts as a draw because the game did not go to ET) So if I did this correctly in your example Shounokuni would win by 2-0 and the game ended in regular time, so no extra time rules would be applied.... Edited July 7, 2021 by Chijanofuji 1
Jejima Posted July 7, 2021 Author Posted July 7, 2021 Okay, I don't think the Matrix covers all of the possibilities. Try this for size.... Denmark are winning 3-0 at half-time. Denmark wins the match 3-2 at full time.
Chijanofuji Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Jejima said: Okay, I don't think the Matrix covers all of the possibilities. Try this for size.... Denmark are winning 3-0 at half-time. Denmark wins the match 3-2 at full time. Yes, I think you broke the matrix! Godango's matrix method: DNK wins at half time: choose his middle matrix. It says - DNK Lead at Half-time => follow the right option. DNK win OR draw after regular time => Chijanofuji Wins! But by the manual method: Slot 1 => 1-0 for Shounokuni's England (2nd) - but my chain does not break (because of my teams "C powers"! Slot 2=> no extra score, both exactly the same. Slot 3=> we both have a draw at that slot, Shounokuni's Denmark ET (C) powers mean he scores 2-0, but both chains remains unbroken. Slots 4 and 5 we both would have draws here, no scores and both chains remains unbroken. Slot 6 => no goals score, but Shounokuni's loss at that slot (England 1st) and my draw (Spain ET) -means his chain breaks and my chain remains unbroken. Slot 7 => I score 2-1 because of Shounokuni's draw (Italy ET) and my win (Denmark 1st) at that slot (and my chain unbroken). Slot 8 => we both have a win here, no change (and my chain unbroken). Slot 9 => Shounokuni has a win here (Denmark 2nd), while I have a draw (Denmark ET, did not occur, so counts as a draw), - situation 8 - my chain breaks at the final slot, game over! Final score would be 2-1 to Shounokuni, and the game does not go to extra time! So yep, you're right! Godango's matrix does not cover this situation! Great catch, Jejima-san! Edited July 7, 2021 by Chijanofuji
Jejima Posted July 7, 2021 Author Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Chijanofuji said: Yes, I think you broke the matrix! Godango's matrix method: DNK wins at half time: choose his middle matrix. It says - DNK Lead at Half-time => follow the right option. DNK win OR draw after regular time => Chijanofuji Wins! But by the manual method: Slot 1 => 1-0 for Shounokuni's England (2nd) - but my chain does not break (because of my teams "C powers"! Slot 2=> no extra score, both exactly the same. Slot 3=> we both have a draw at that slot, Shounokuni's Denmark ET (C) powers mean he scores 2-0, but both chains remains unbroken. Slots 4 and 5 we both would have draws here, no scores and both chains remains unbroken. Slot 6 => no goals score, but Shounokuni's loss at that slot (England 1st) and my draw (Spain ET) -means his chain breaks and my chain remains unbroken. Slot 7 => I score 2-1 because of Shounokuni's draw (Italy ET) and my win (Denmark 1st) at that slot (and my chain unbroken). Slot 8 => we both have a win here, no change (and my chain unbroken). Slot 9 => Shounokuni has a win here (Denmark 2nd), while I have a draw (Denmark ET, did not occur, so counts as a draw), - situation 8 - my chain breaks at the final slot, game over! Final score would be 2-1 to Shounokuni, and the game does not go to extra time! So yep, you're right! Godango's matrix does not cover this situation! Great catch, Jejima-san! When I I had a quick look earlier, I thought that that situation would end in a draw after extra time, and so penalties would be required... I chose not to look too far down that rabbit hole, so I'm sure you're correct.
Chijanofuji Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jejima said: When I I had a quick look earlier, I thought that that situation would end in a draw after extra time, and so penalties would be required... I chose not to look too far down that rabbit hole, so I'm sure you're correct. No, I'm not correct. Not completely anyway..... I now see that I got slot 8 completely wrong as I forgot to change my Denmark 2nd to a loss.... At that slot Shounokuni has Denmark 1st - a win. I have Denmark 2nd - a loss. And as we're in situation 7 - that means my chain breaks there and the game ends. Still 2-1 to Shounokuni though....
Atenzan Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 Asked Shounokuni, whom I've been texting during matches this tournament, if losing the Saucer final would be an acceptable price to pay to see England play in the final. "Yes", came the instant reply. "That's only because you're English", I said. "At least I've seen my national team win something before." Shounokuni hasn't replied yet. 2
Jakusotsu Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 The actual matches in Wembley have been way more entertaining than the results suggest. Let's see how our games were affected. Bowl Semifinals Match 2: Jejima 0:1 Pitinosato (England) (Netherlands) England ® (2nd) D x:0 D England (2nd) England (1st) D x:1 W England (ET) Spain (ET) D x:0 D England (1st) Spain (2nd) D x:0 D Italy (S1) (1st) Italy (1st) D x:0 D Italy (S1) (2nd) Spain (1st) D x:0 D Italy (S1) (ET) Italy (ET) D x:0 D Spain (ET) Italy (2nd) D x:0 D Spain (2nd) England (ET) W x:0 D Spain (1st) Jejima's chain was broken right from the start due to his R-status, and Pitinosato utilized that advantage by scoring in slot 2, advancing to the Bowl finals with a 1:0 victory in regular time. But Jejima shouldn't fret all too much. I have it on good account that Pitinosato would have won the penalty shoot-out anyway if England didn't get lucky in extra time. Cup Semifinals Match 2: Godango 2:0 Djodjoyoshi (Hungary) (Poland) England © (2nd) D 1:0 D England (S1) (2nd) England (1st) D 0:0 D Italy (2nd) England (ET) W 1:0 D England (S1) (1st) Italy (ET) D 0:0 D Italy (1st) Italy (1st) D 0:0 D Denmark (1st) Italy (2nd) D 0:0 D Denmark (2nd) Denmark (ET) L x:0 D Italy (ET) Denmark (1st) D x:x L Denmark (ET) Denmark (2nd) D x:x W England (S1) (ET) Unlike Jejima above, Godango actually benefitted from the special team in slot one, scoring a goal with his C-Team. Another goal in slot 3 sealed the deal, letting him advance to the Cup finals with a 2:0 victory in regular time - congratulations, and good luck there! And good luck to Djodjoyoshi for winning a different kind of silverware instead. 1
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