More pressure on KaioU?

[Kintamayama]

Kaiou's Oyakata Tomozuna has expressed his wish that he learn the shiranui style dohyo-iri when he becomes Yokozuna. The last Yokozuna out of Tomozuna was the famed Tachiyama, and that was 93 years ago. Legend has it that he would take on 40 rikishi at keiko, and none of them was able to touch his mawashi. Tachiyama used the shiranui style. The shiranui style has recently been associated with short term Yokozunae and is considered by many as a sure "kiss of death" for any Yokozuna using it. Last one to use it: Wakanohana III. "Kaiou has a bad back. Other than that, his age is no problem", said Oyakata when asked about this.

[Manekineko]

Maybe he's actually trying to decrease the pressure: hey Kaio, if you do get promoted and pick Shiranui-gata, you can blame the jinx for all your bad results as yokozuna! (Whistling...)

Ah, but it would be nice to see Kaio in tsuna, if even for a basho and a half. (Blushing...)

[Mattjila]

I still feel that Asashoryu, one of the most offense-oriented rikishi in a while, should have done shiranui dohyo-iri, which I've read is associated with offense. But, I suppose superstition will win out.

Plus, there is the fact that I've never seen shiranui dohyo-iri. Since I've never had TVJapan or the like and used Dale's movies to follow the basho action, I've only seen Akebono, Takanohana, Musashimaru, and Asashoryu do dohyo-iri. A little variety would be nice.

[Kashunowaka]

I still feel that Asashoryu, one of the most offense-oriented rikishi in a while, should have done shiranui dohyo-iri, which I've read is associated with offense. But, I suppose superstition will win out.

Plus, there is the fact that I've never seen shiranui dohyo-iri.  Since I've never had TVJapan or the like and used Dale's movies to follow the basho action, I've only seen Akebono, Takanohana, Musashimaru, and Asashoryu do dohyo-iri.  A little variety would be nice.

Welcome to the forum, Mattjila!

I think there are movies on banzuke.com showing Wakanohana's dohyo-iri, shiranui-style.

[Asashosakari]

I think there are movies on banzuke.com showing Wakanohana's dohyo-iri, shiranui-style.

Yep.

[Celeborn]

By the way, I find Wakanohana's dohyo-iri one of the best I've ever seen, really esthetic and impressive. KaioU doing a shiranui-style dohyo-iri would be great, but I'm sure there would be no need of any kind of jinx to make his (potential) yokozuna career short.

*Celeborn

[Araiwa]

Talking about great dohyo-iri I've just watched a dvd with Futabayama doing the unryu-gata. I must say Futabayamas dohyo-iri is perfection. When the part comes where the yokozuna has to stomp with the foot you can hear a mighty clash! But I think the shiranui style doesn't really fit to Kaio. He is not that agressive and outgoing in his sumo. Unryu would be perfect for him I'd say.

I think you are right that Asa should have picked shiranui. He will have a long yokozuna career and it would have been great to see shiranui for many bashos. But who could have teached it to him? Asahifuji and Takanosato are in other ichimons and I have read that it's uncommon to learn dohyo-iris from ex-yokozunas of different ichimons, or am I confused? :'-(

[Guest shountaikai]

I still feel that Asashoryu, one of the most offense-oriented rikishi in a while, should have done shiranui dohyo-iri, which I've read is associated with offense. But, I suppose superstition will win out.

Plus, there is the fact that I've never seen shiranui dohyo-iri. Since I've never had TVJapan or the like and used Dale's movies to follow the basho action, I've only seen Akebono, Takanohana, Musashimaru, and Asashoryu do dohyo-iri. A little variety would be nice.

You are more lucky then i am! i have only been able to see 4 people win a basho .. i only started watching since 2003 but haven't missed a match since., my rents used to watch all thru the 80's when i was a youngin, so they got to enjoy Chiyonofuji., kitanomi etc. Im just glad alot of youngins are movin on up so quickly like Kokai and Hakuho, so i feel glad im watching the birth of a new sumo era.

[Taka]

I have read that it's uncommon to learn dohyo-iris from ex-yokozunas of different ichimons, or am I confused? (Eh?)

That's what I've heard too. Preferable the dohyo-iri practice will be under the tutelage of an ex Yokuzana from the same Ichimon.

I'm not sure who theoratically would be tutoring Kaio? Kaio is from Tatsunami-Isegahama and in 1986 newly promoted Futahaguro, also from Tatsunami-Isegahama, had to have outside help (not sure who exactly) brought in to teach him, because Tatsunami-Isegahama hadn't produced an Yokozuna in decades.

So the logical conclusion I guess would be that IF Kaio gets promoted it will be ex Yokozuna Futahaguro teaching him BUT looking him up I see he left sumo upon retirement.... (Blushing...)

Anyone know why that was and what he is doing now?

[Taka]

I have read that it's uncommon to learn dohyo-iris from ex-yokozunas of different ichimons, or am I confused? (Eh?)

That's what I've heard too. Preferable the dohyo-iri practice will be under the tutelage of an ex Yokuzana from the same Ichimon.

I'm not sure who theoratically would be tutoring Kaio? Kaio is from Tatsunami-Isegahama and in 1986 newly promoted Futahaguro, also from Tatsunami-Isegahama, had to have outside help (not sure who exactly) brought in to teach him, because Tatsunami-Isegahama hadn't produced an Yokozuna in decades.

So the logical conclusion I guess would be that IF Kaio gets promoted it will be ex Yokozuna Futahaguro teaching him BUT looking him up I see he left sumo upon retirement.... (Blushing...)

Anyone know why that was and what he is doing now?

Ok I actually do remember reading about this story before. From the Sumo ml archive:

I should start with his shisho (stable master). He was Annenyama before

named Haguroyama after his shisho great Yokozuna Haguroyama. As Annenyama,

he won a yusho, but he'd never become an ozeki despite his shisho's hope.

Before the greatest Yokozuna Futabayama started his own stable, he belonged

to Tatsunami-beya, the same heya with Haguroyama.

Futahaguro's name is from these two great yokozuna FUTAbayama and

HAGUROyama. This showed the level of expectation from Tatsunami Oyakata,

former Haguroyama/Annenyama. Because of physical superiority, Kitao was

considered the next great yokozuna even while he was lower ranked rikishi.

His shisho (and his wife) totally spoiled Kitao. Kitao was Tatsunami-beya's

"kome-bitsu". In this case, kome means money and hitsu is a chest of

drawers. Kitao is supposed to bring a fortune to Tatsunami-beya.

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> I am not so familiar, but short answer. ( I hope anyone

>else answer deeper.)

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>> 1) What was his shinoka before being promoted to Yokozuna?

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> Kitao, this is his family name.

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>> 2) Why was there almost immediate calls for his retirement in the basho

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Edited September 30, 2004 by Taka

[Asashosakari]

I'm not sure who theoratically would be tutoring Kaio?

If Kaio chooses shiranui, it would likely be Asahifuji.

[Kashunowaka]

Futahaguro has been extensively discussed before in this forum. Do a search, and you will also find links to a long Sumo World article about the incident.