September (Aki) Basho- offical thread (yay..)

[Oshirokita]

23 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

To phrase is more clearly: I think 15-15-9 would be denied.

I concur. But only because I would expect the 15-15 to garner the promotion outright. I don't think 15-15-9 would ever occur within Makuuchi. If 15-15 did not get promotion outright, then the first 15 was at too low a rank to be in contention and so another basho after the '9' would be needed.

[Kashunowaka]

13 minutes ago, Oshirokita said:

I concur. But only because I would expect the 15-15 to garner the promotion outright. I don't think 15-15-9 would ever occur within Makuuchi. If 15-15 did not get promotion outright, then the first 15 was at too low a rank to be in contention and so another basho after the '9' would be needed.

The wonderful thing with sumo is that should the unthinkable happen, e.g. 8-7 at M17 / 15-0 at M16 / 15-0 Ke, it is perfectly fine to break the "rules" and promote to ozeki from komusubi since there are no rules. It is also fine *not* to promote with 38 wins in 3 basho.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Kashunowaka

[Eikokurai]

It’s good that we are able to dream up these hypotheticals to keep us amused when nothing is happening in actual sumo.

[Kaninoyama]

Kizakiumi has retired? When and why did this happen?

[Eikokurai]

Takayasu should be back in sanyaku next basho.

[Seiyashi]

2 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Kizakiumi has retired? When and why did this happen?

Before the basho, I believe, due to a persistent neck injury.

[Kashunowaka]

Good sumo between Kotoeko ... eko ... eko and Takarafuji.

[Kaninoyama]

1 minute ago, Seiyashi said:

Before the basho, I believe, due to a persistent neck injury.

Thanks, I just found the thread. Completely missed this news 

[robnplunder]

Excellent sumo by Kotoeko.  The little guy has heart.  I hope he makes it to a sanyuku rank.   

[Thorbjarn]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Takayasu should be back in sanyaku next basho.

I thought so aswell at first, but thinking about it, I find M1e more likely. Terunofuji and Takanosho seem likely promotees. 

[Seiyashi]

Just now, Thorbjarn said:

10 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Takayasu should be back in sanyaku next basho.

I thought so aswell at first, but thinking about it, I find M1e more likely. Terunofuji and Takanosho seem likely promotees. 

It depends on whether Shodai opens a third sekiwake slot via promotion. If it does, Takanosho debuts at sekiwake, and Takayasu rejoins Terunofuji at komusubi. If not, Kiribayama and Takayasu will be M1 next tournament.

[Eikokurai]

2 minutes ago, Thorbjarn said:

I thought so aswell at first, but thinking about it, I find M1e more likely. Terunofuji and Takanosho seem likely promotees. 

There may be three vacancies if Shodai goes up. I’ve already promoted him in my head you see.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Eikokurai

[robnplunder]

1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

There may be three vacancies if Shodai goes up. 

They may stick with having two Sekiwake if Shodai goes up.  

[Kaninoyama]

Kotoshogiku had a sad expression after his bout.

Mainoumi opined that he may have stuck it out for the duration of this basho despite having no ability to do sumo because he knows it's the end.

It wouldn't be surprising if we hear a retirement announcement soon. 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Kaninoyama

[yohcun]

Just now, Kaninoyama said:

Kotoshogiku had a sad expression after his bout. It wouldn't be surprising if we hear a retirement announcement soon. 

Even his pre-bout rituals had an air of sadness and resolve. It's looking very likely.

[Seiyashi]

3 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

They may stick with having two Sekiwake if Shodai goes up.  

Daieisho is crashing out of sanyaku altogether with a 4-10, regardless of Shodai's promotion, so his slot is vanishing. If Shodai is promoted, the only sekiwake remaining is Mitakeumi, with three open sanyaku slots and not four (Shodai's old slot + 2 komusubi). That gives both M1s and Takayasu (or possibly Kiribayama) the promotion.

Only if Shodai doesn't get promoted (with him and Mitakeumi as sekiwake) will neither Takayasu or Kiribayama be promoted, but then they'll be locks for M1s themselves next tournament. 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Seiyashi

[themistyseas]

Just now, Kaninoyama said:

Kotoshogiku had a sad expression after his bout. It wouldn't be surprising if we hear a retirement announcement soon. 

I found myself cursing the TV for him not doing his back-bend just one more time.

Without trying to read too much into it, it looked like he was taking in the last salt toss and his exit from dohyo itself.

[robnplunder]

Enho saved his best for the last.  But this is his 3rd straight MK.   I look forward to the next basho to see if he can stop the bleeding or go down to Juryo.

[Eikokurai]

5 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

They may stick with having two Sekiwake if Shodai goes up.  

If Shodai goes up, his slot is vacated along with Okinoumi’s and Endo’s.

[Kaninoyama]

On the other hand, Kotoshoho, along with Kotonowaka, seems poised to represent Sadokatake-beya well in 'Giku's place for years to come. 

[Kashunowaka]

7 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

On the other hand, Kotoshoho, along with Kotonowaka, seems poised to represent Sadokatake-beya well in 'Giku's place for years to come. 

We'll see about Kotonowaka... He didn't finish this basho well, I expected him to dominate juryo more. If he is cut from the same cloth as his father he will be a makuuchi regular and occasional sanyaku but not more.

Edit: for the record, Kotonowaka senior was one of my favourites to watch. Perfect sumo body. Devastating uwatenage. Often ended up in bouts which got stuck several minutes. Perennial under-achiever.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Kashunowaka

[robnplunder]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

If Shodai goes up, his slot is vacated along with Okinoumi’s and Endo’s.

Got that.

What if Kiribayama wins today and goes to 9-6?   I think he gets the nod ahead of Takayasu.

[Kaninoyama]

Interesting. The corridor walls where rikishi wait before heading out into the arena are lined with signs reading: shiko and teppo strictly forbidden. 

Isn't it enough to just tell the rikishi not to do it?

Edited September 27, 2020 by Kaninoyama

[Seiyashi]

Just now, robnplunder said:

Got that.

What if Kiribayama wins today and goes to 9-6?   I think he gets the nod ahead of Takayasu.

It's a tossup. Takayasu has one more win from one rank lower. But on the other hand Kiribayama has had the tougher opponents, especially concluding with a sanyaku regular. There are arguments to be made both ways.

It may be academic in 10 minutes' time. I don't think he'll beat Mitakeumi with a busted shoulder.

[Eikokurai]

3 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Got that.

What if Kiribayama wins today and goes to 9-6?   I think he gets the nod ahead of Takayasu.

Yes, he may do. I said as much yesterday but was assuming he’d go kyujo today so wouldn’t get the 9th. He ought to.