Thorbjarn Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I'm among those who think this might have been it for Takakeisho's Ozeki chances this basho. Just like vs Goeido, another Bad loss. Yes, he had some good wins, but 13-11-10 might not be enough. I still don't totally rule out the possibility that Tochinoshin vs Takakeisho is going to be a direct matchup for the Ozeki rank, though.
Dwale Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Well, we'll be going into senshuraku with the yusho undecided, so that's exciting. Good amount of 7-7 scores going into tomorrow, too, which always makes for good drama. Takakeisho: "I'm gonna blow him off the dohyo before he knows what hit him!" Ichinojo: "Nah." Gonna chalk this one up to Takakeisho's inexperience. Ichinojo saw it coming a mile away but at least it keeps the yusho in the air. Hakuho v. Takayasu went about how I expected. Best part of that match was that intense, chill-inducing staredown. The bout itself was anticlimactic after that. Well, looks like we're set up for some exciting matches tomorrow. Best of luck to everyone except Hakuho The way Kakuryu has been fighting the last few days, he's got a snowball's chance at best but hey, you never know. Maybe Hakuho'll step on a Lego or something. 1
Philioyamfugi Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Wow Ichinojo just stood up and Takakeishou was over extended and slapped down. Takakeishou expecting a big tachia but was none.. Brilliant strategy if that what it was. Plenty of drama for the final day.
bettega Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Thorbjarn said: I'm among those who think this might have been it for Takakeisho's Ozeki chances this basho. Just like vs Goeido, another Bad loss. Yes, he had some good wins, but 13-11-10 might not be enough. I still don't totally rule out the possibility that Tochinoshin vs Takakeisho is going to be a direct matchup for the Ozeki rank, though. Same here. I think Takakeisho is done even winning tomorrow. He got a few very ugly losses
Morty Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Catalin B said: Wow, that staredown between Hakuho and Takayasu was pretty intense! I assume this isn't something that happens often. Are they getting reprimanded for that? Used to happen all the time back in the day, but not so much these days - one of the best bits of sumo, and no they won't get reprimanded, totally allowable 7
Eikokurai Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 If Takakeisho doesn’t get promoted, would that make him the first man to get 33 wins across three basho in sanyaku twice without making Ozeki?
Gospodin Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: If Takakeisho doesn’t get promoted, would that make him the first man to get 33 wins across three basho in sanyaku twice without making Ozeki? Miyabiyama in 2006. 34 and 33 over four bashos, respectively. As far as I remember, the Kyokai was wary of "overpromoting" him a second time, though. 1
Eikokurai Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Gospodin said: Miyabiyama in 2006. 34 and 33 over four bashos, respectively. As far as I remember, the Kyokai was wary of "overpromoting" him a second time, though. Right, yeah. For some reason I thought one of his basho was in the joi.
Dwale Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 As for Takakeisho's promotion, or lack thereof, I feel like he deserves it because I felt like he deserved it last basho. But I expect they'll deny him again if he loses tomorrow. I feel like 10 wins, including a yokozuna and two ozeki (if he beats Tochinoshin) should be sufficient, but the people who decide these things and I are clearly not on the same wavelength, so we'll just have to see. What I would like to happen is: Takakeisho wins tomorrow, promoted to ozeki. Tochinoshin goes down to sekiwake. Tochinoshin heals up, gets double-digit wins at Natsu, comes back up to ozeki. They both really, really want this win. Makes me wish there was a way for them both to claim it, but alas, sumo is eternally unforgiving. 1
Gospodin Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Dwale said: As for Takakeisho's promotion, or lack thereof, I feel like he deserves it because I felt like he deserved it last basho. But I expect they'll deny him again if he loses tomorrow. I feel like 10 wins, including a yokozuna and two ozeki (if he beats Tochinoshin) should be sufficient, but the people who decide these things and I are clearly not on the same wavelength, so we'll just have to see. What I would like to happen is: Takakeisho wins tomorrow, promoted to ozeki. Tochinoshin goes down to sekiwake. Tochinoshin heals up, gets double-digit wins at Natsu, comes back up to ozeki. They both really, really want this win. Makes me wish there was a way for them both to claim it, but alas, sumo is eternally unforgiving. Just crossed my mind: I don´t like conspiracy theories at at all. That said, what does the forum think about how the relationship of his former oyakata to the organisation could influence the decision ?
lackmaker Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, Dwale said: Hakuho v. Takayasu went about how I expected. Best part of that match was that intense, chill-inducing staredown. The bout itself was anticlimactic after that. I was impressed with the attempted throw by Takayasu. It would likely have worked against a lesser opponent but Hakuho was just too good. 2
ryafuji Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, Catalin B said: Wow, that staredown between Hakuho and Takayasu was pretty intense! I assume this isn't something that happens often. Are they getting reprimanded for that? Don’t know why they would be reprimanded. The crowd love a good stare down. 1
CT3* Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Pissing off Hakuho is almost never a good idea. Takayasu got punished.
Dapeng Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dwale said: What I would like to happen is: Takakeisho wins tomorrow, promoted to ozeki. Tochinoshin goes down to sekiwake. Tochinoshin heals up, gets double-digit wins at Natsu, comes back up to ozeki. Why not the other way around, that Tochi keeps his rank and Taka gets a convincing 11 or more wins next basho for ozeki promotion? Taka's loss today is very bad, and he have lost to all the well-performing rikishi. 1
CT3* Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Forget about the number of wins for a second and ask if Takakeisho has been displaying Ozeki-worthy Sumo. Is beating a struggling, kadoban Ozeki that hasn't managed to get his own kachi-koshi by senshuraku really the measure? I like Takakeisho, but it's a bit hard for me to say he is worthy of promotion at this point.
Eikokurai Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dapeng said: Why not the other way around, that Tochi keeps his rank and Taka gets a convincing 11 or more wins next basho for ozeki promotion? Taka's loss today is very bad, and he have lost to all the well-performing rikishi. 11 wins won’t be enough next time. That would be a run of 11-9-11 from January to May, for a total of 31.
Dwale Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dapeng said: Why not the other way around, that Tochi keeps his rank and Taka gets a convincing 11 or more wins next basho for ozeki promotion? Taka's loss today is very bad, and he have lost to all the well-performing rikishi. You think Takayasu hasn't performed well? 19 minutes ago, lackmaker said: I was impressed with the attempted throw by Takayasu. It would likely have worked against a lesser opponent but Hakuho was just too good. Takayasu is a well-rounded fighter and I think he'll continue to improve. While I can't say whether he'll ever be a match for Hakuho, time is on his side.
Dapeng Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Ich's new-found slapping down or pushing down from above using his brutal force and height proved to be very effective, especially against shorter rikishies. Taka had no plan today. He had no confidence to push Ichi back, neither at belt fighting, so he tried to reach for Ichi's throat. Ichi did what he had done these days by holding Taka's neck for an easy pushing down. These days' Ichi would be a trouble even for the GOAT.
Akōgyokuseki Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Back to back Juryo champion, Shimanoumi, looks all set to be joining the top division next basho...and he's looking forward to it. "In makuuchi there are many strong people. I want to test myself, try my style of sumo and see how I get on" https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2019/03/23/0012174473.shtml?pg=2 Best of luck to him... 2
Eikokurai Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, CT3* said: Forget about the number of wins for a second and ask if Takakeisho has been displaying Ozeki-worthy Sumo. Is beating a struggling, kadoban Ozeki that hasn't managed to get his own kachi-koshi by senshuraku really the measure? I like Takakeisho, but it's a bit hard for me to say he is worthy of promotion at this point. Depends on one’s idea of Ozeki worthy, I suppose. He’s beaten everyone below him except Mitakeumi, who is only just below him at Komusubi, and Ichinojo, who is in the form of his life. His other losses have come against an Ozeki, a Yokozuna and a Sekiwake. He’s also beaten a Komusubi, an Ozeki and a Yokozuna. Arguably he’s performing at about the right level. His wins have also been pretty commanding. 2 1
Gospodin Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, CT3* said: Forget about the number of wins for a second and ask if Takakeisho has been displaying Ozeki-worthy Sumo. Is beating a struggling, kadoban Ozeki that hasn't managed to get his own kachi-koshi by senshuraku really the measure? I like Takakeisho, but it's a bit hard for me to say he is worthy of promotion at this point. I don´t like him, tbh. He still gets his wins, but the high rankers have started to figure him out, others will follow. If he gets promoted I don´t expect him to hold that rank for long.
Dapeng Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dwale said: Takayasu is a well-rounded fighter and I think he'll continue to improve. While I can't say whether he'll ever be a match for Hakuho, time is on his side. Do you still remember that he used to lose a large majority of bouts to Kisenosato at their home keiko in every prebasho keiko, even after Kise retried?
Thorbjarn Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Since I said before that I am conviced he might not get the nod, let me elaborate for a bit: I totally think Takakeisho should become Ozeki with ten wins. I think the revisionists history on Takakeisho's performances at the top of the banzuke needs to stop. He is by far the youngest dude among the top 10 rikishi and has put in strong performances after he got smoked in his initial run. If my math is correct, a win over Tochinoshin would put him at 7 out of 12 against Ozeki and Yokozuna in his last three tournaments AND at 34 out of three. Those would be Ozeki numbers in my mind. 2
Dwale Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dapeng said: Do you still remember that he used to lose a large majority of bouts to Kisenosato at their home keiko in every prebasho keiko, even after Kise retried? I guess this may not have occurred to you, but to post double-digit wins at any rank above M3 means you're doing something right. Moreover, that is completely irrelevant. It's what you do during the honbasho that matters. 2
Eikokurai Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Akōgyokuseki said: Back to back Juryo champion, Shimanoumi, looks all set to be joining the top division next basho...and he's looking forward to it. "In makuuchi there are many strong people. I want to test myself, try my style of sumo and see how I get on" https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2019/03/23/0012174473.shtml?pg=2 Best of luck to him... The first man since Tochinoshin in 2014 to win back-to-back Juryo yusho and only the 14th overall in the six-basho, 15-bout era. 1
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