Aki Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Gurowake]

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&amp;group_by=basho&amp;having=5&amp;day=15&amp;rank1=M1-m4&amp;wins1=<5&amp;winsopt1=1

Times there have been at least 5 rikishi in M1-m4 with 4 or fewer wins going into Day 15.  Hopefully you can see how to change the query based on whatever you're looking for similar to that.

7 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Sure. I’m really just wondering how to query how common it is and, more specifically, how common it is to reach day 15 in this situation. I’m not very good with the database!

edit: I just randomly picked a query that highlighted something similar to what you asked for without going back and reading it because it was on a different page, and somehow I picked exactly the query you were looking for.  I swear that was not my intention at all!

Edited September 23, 2018 by Gurowake

[Eikokurai]

2 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&amp;group_by=basho&amp;having=5&amp;day=15&amp;rank1=M1-m4&amp;wins1=<5&amp;winsopt1=1

Times there have been at least 4 rikishi in M1-m4 for 4 or fewer losses going into Day 15.

 

Thank you. It is quite infrequent then. Just the third incidence of it in my time following sumo properly.

[Kuroyama]

2 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

From the little I’ve seen of Enho he does seem to be thinking on his feet more than Ishiura does. The latter seems to give up the moment his game plan gets figured out. He doesn’t improvise much anymore.

Enho is also much faster.

[Jabbamaru]

kyokai should create a new division for guys like Enho and  satoyama. They could call it smallkuchi...

[Eikokurai]

14 minutes ago, Jabbamaru said:

kyokai should create a new division for guys like Enho and  satoyama. They could call it smallkuchi...

Or microuchi.

[Kuroyama]

2 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Or microuchi.

Uchiguchi

[Asashosakari]

As predicted by Kinta, 11 wins for Aoiyama and Onosho. 

Kaisei!

Edited September 23, 2018 by Asashosakari

[robnplunder]

That's right, Ikio.  If you can't beat your opponent, kill a shinpan.

[Eikokurai]

21 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

That's right, Ikio.  If you can't beat your opponent, kill a shinpan.

It’s not explicitly against the rules.

[Valdenor]

Is Kakuryu injuried in the end of this match? Incredible action in the ending of the basho.

[Dwale]

Apart from the middling performance from Mitakeumi, I was pleased with this basho. And I must say, Kakuryu & Hakuho's match was a satisfying end. What an epic struggle that was! 

[Jabbamaru]

Zensho! Well done Mr. Monkhbatyn, well done.

[robnplunder]

This basho was competitive with all the sanyukus going the distance.   Tochinoshin kept his Ozeki rank, Mita came up short for the same, and Kise made his return felt.   Goeido showed why he had one yusho under his belt.  Ichinojo quietly kept his kachikosh streak going.   Yoshi got his mojo back.    Hak was Hak.   Then there were the usual amount of disappointments headed by Endo, Ishiura, ....   No doubt many were due to injuries.   I give this basho an A-.  

Edited September 23, 2018 by robnplunder

[Shio-kago]

It'll be many years before I forget this remarkable basho!

So many intriguing stories! A few of them ended in disappointment, but there were many dramatic payoffs!

I wont carry on about all the results that moved me, we all watched the damn tournament, but I want to take a moment to recognize the things that meant the most to me.

Goiedo scores 12, another jun-yusho, and very likely the O1e spot he's spent a lot of time in recently. He still has something to offer this sport. Is it possible that this time he's earned just a little more respect?

Hakuho is still the king! He's fading, and I thought that he might even be approaching the end, but he's not done yet ladies and gentlemen. One of the great athletes I've had the privilege to witness and admire!

Yoshikaze slayed! He's still got gas in the tank; there's more yet to come I think.

Kisenosato wins that tenth match when I was so sure he wouldn't. I cheered for him every day and am as happy to be wrong as I've ever been. I pulled for him this time around because I thought his success would be good for sumo; In November I'll be supporting him for the first time as a fan of the man himself.

I have so enjoyed following this event with you. I want to thank you all for sharing your insights and enthusiasm!

 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Shio-kago

[Mufuu]

Most importantly: a stunning green macaron! Stellar basho.

[Kaninoyama]

At the conclusion of the final day's telecast Kitanofuji remarked that while this basho was quite satisfying in terms of the quality of sumo, it left something to be desired in terms of the performance of the gyoji and shimpan. 

He noted that the current crop of shimpan are mostly inexperienced, and would benefit from a good training session between now and Kyushu to improve their ability to judge whether to call a monoii and establish more consistency with regard to what constitutes a "both hands down position" at tachi-ai. 

Personally, I concur!

[Jakusotsu]

38 minutes ago, Shio-kago said:

It'll be many years before I forget this remarkable basho!

Really? For me the only thing to remember this basho for is having no sansho.

[robnplunder]

Just now, Jakusotsu said:

Really? For me the only thing to remember this basho for is having no sansho.

I will remember Kise's return and probably forget the rest (mainly due to my senility).  

 

[Rocks]

3 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Really? For me the only thing to remember this basho for is having no sansho.

Yeah, there was a lot of drama for guys who had so much on the line like Kise, Tochi and Mita but there was a lot of bad officiating, bad sumo, mattas galore and second half fades from too many that took a lot of air out of it for me. Congrats to Hakuho though. He deserved it. 

[Shio-kago]

4 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Really? For me the only thing to remember this basho for is having no sansho.

That's also quite a remarkable thing. Absurd Too.

I remember you expressing disappointment with the way things were unfolding a couple of pages back, but you didn't go into much detail. If you'd be willing to take the time, I'd be very interested to hear why you found it so forgettable

1 minute ago, Rocks said:

Yeah, there was a lot of drama for guys who had so much on the line like Kise, Tochi and Mita but there was a lot of bad officiating, bad sumo, mattas galore and second half fades from too many that took a lot of air out of it for me. Congrats to Hakuho though. He deserved it. 

The mattas! Aaaarghh!

[Jakusotsu]

1 minute ago, Shio-kago said:

If you'd be willing to take the time, I'd be very interested to hear why you found it so forgettable

Sorry, I already forgot about it.

But there's still one thing I'll remember: Orora's final bout.

[Amamaniac]

27 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

1 hour ago, Shio-kago said:

It'll be many years before I forget this remarkable basho!

Really? For me the only thing to remember this basho for is having no sansho.

That's remarkable in and of itself, don't you think?

[Morty]

I'm not disappointed by any bashos because I just love having sumo going on every couple of months. 

It is interesting to compare Kisenosato and Kotoshigiku this basho. They have had careers that have basically been parallel and have fought each other over 60 times(!) since 2004. Kise managed to go the extra step to Yokozuna that the Geek didn't. Since the Geek lost his Ozeki rank he has been on a slow slide downwards and it is obvious he has lost that forward bumpety power that made him so formidable. But he has made no attempt to adapt his sumo to that loss of power. He is coming up against all these young guys who are suddenly stronger than he is and unless he times the bumpety perfectly, he is getting beaten. Clearly a one trick pony. Compare to Kise who has had an injury that took some of his power away but has adapted his sumo and still managed ten wins as a Yokozuna against top opposition. Clearly not a one trick pony. You need more than one trick to reach the top.

Finally, I was quite worried about Bad-Wig Man this basho as he hadn't appeared at any time in his usual position of front row left behind the Shimpan, but he showed up today with another one of his daughters third row right behind the Simpan. It must be getting harder to get tickets to this thing.

 

[Amamaniac]

Did anyone else sense a degree of tension when the NHK championship interview got underway?  Hakuho simply stood there, uncertain what the crowd was thinking, after he was introduced to the fans.  Then finally, he saw someone wave to him (I assume), and so he waved back.  Perhaps that made him realise that maybe it would be nice if he were to wave to the fans in all four directions.  

A Japanese friend of mine told me that Japanese fans are getting tired of the Mongolian domination of sumo.  I definitely got the sense that (most if not all) fans may be getting tired of Hakuho's domination of sumo.  On Day 14, there was a group of fans holding up paper signs first in support of Kisenosato and then in support of Kakuryu during their repective dohyoiris.  Similar paper signs were not held up during Hakuho's dohyoiri!  It was as if that select group of fans wanted to cheer for the underdogs (? Japanese or Mongolian) before Hakuho sealed his 41st championship victory...

[Akinomaki]

For me the ongoing basho is always the best that ever was.

What I remember of previous basho is not much - mainly the yusho winner and first time promotions.

This basho is now just over, so there is a bit more that has still left an impression.

Ichinojo has again managed to get kachi-koshi in the end - again and again unbelievable after that miserable a start - and I love him for this (because there is no other reason for that at the moment).

Asanoyama again disappointed the high hopes after an excellent start - I still think he's OOTNO (one of the next ozeki - same for Ichinojo) - and I get the feeling Yutakayama doing bad pulls him down after some delay - and v.v.

Mitakeumi had a fantastic result for that amount of training, proving that to do just enough can get one through (to the next chance with better odds) - and helps to avoid injury

Enho gets nowhere but to makuuchi - like every uchi-deshi of Hakuho -  but won't stay long either like all of them (and it may take a while in the first place)

Kise is back for another year

Edited September 23, 2018 by Akinomaki