Tochinofuji Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 Hi all, As a long time fan of Toshinoshin, I'm hoping to get my hands on an "official" paper copy of the banzuke for Nagoya 2018 showing his first listing as an ozeki. Does anyone have any lines on a vendor or thoughts on otherwise getting a hold of one? Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated!
Tochinofuji Posted June 27, 2018 Author Posted June 27, 2018 21 hours ago, Kishinoyama said: John Gunning usually has them. Excellent, thank you very much!
K. Sear Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 As far as I know John can't send them out of the country anymore due to changes in the rules from the kyokai. I got them from him for a couple years, but this year he had to stop, otherwise I would still be "subscribed" with him.
orandashoho Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 11 hours ago, K. Sear said: As far as I know John can't send them out of the country anymore due to changes in the rules from the kyokai. I got them from him for a couple years, but this year he had to stop, otherwise I would still be "subscribed" with him. Why would the Kyokai rule that these can't be sent abroad any more? Makes no sense to me. Are heya / rikishi also stopped from sending a banzuke to foreign supporters? How would the Kyokai even be able to enforce this ban? Spies in every post office? Weird. 1
K. Sear Posted June 29, 2018 Posted June 29, 2018 On 2018-06-28 at 08:41, orandashoho said: Why would the Kyokai rule that these can't be sent abroad any more? Makes no sense to me. Are heya / rikishi also stopped from sending a banzuke to foreign supporters? How would the Kyokai even be able to enforce this ban? Spies in every post office? Weird. I have no idea, you would need to talk to John about these sorts of things. John seemed a little perplexed as well when he told me but isn't in a position to do anything about it either. All I know is I don't get banzuke anymore and that makes me a little sad, but I'll live.
Kuroyama Posted July 1, 2018 Posted July 1, 2018 On 6/27/2018 at 17:06, K. Sear said: As far as I know John can't send them out of the country anymore due to changes in the rules from the kyokai. I got them from him for a couple years, but this year he had to stop, otherwise I would still be "subscribed" with him. I was subscribed to that service for awhile, but stopped for entirely unrelated reasons. I'd ordered things from John before via his old Ebay shop that he'd had to ship from Japan with no problems whatsoever, but for some reason the banzuke just wouldn't show up. He'd end up sending something like 3 copies, and I'd be lucky to receive even one of them a couple of months later. It was weird. This was the only time I'd ever had trouble getting mail from Japan, or that John had trouble sending it.
K. Sear Posted July 1, 2018 Posted July 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, Kuroyama said: I was subscribed to that service for awhile, but stopped for entirely unrelated reasons. I'd ordered things from John before via his old Ebay shop that he'd had to ship from Japan with no problems whatsoever, but for some reason the banzuke just wouldn't show up. He'd end up sending something like 3 copies, and I'd be lucky to receive even one of them a couple of months later. It was weird. This was the only time I'd ever had trouble getting mail from Japan, or that John had trouble sending it. Same thing happened to me a couple of times. Two banzuke went missing: John replaced one when the following basho happened and the other just evaporated. I also bought this year's sumo calendar and it went missing, another was sent, then both showed up on the same day. It is odd that you also had the same problem.
Kuroyama Posted July 1, 2018 Posted July 1, 2018 4 hours ago, K. Sear said: Same thing happened to me a couple of times. Two banzuke went missing: John replaced one when the following basho happened and the other just evaporated. I also bought this year's sumo calendar and it went missing, another was sent, then both showed up on the same day. It is odd that you also had the same problem. Maybe @orandashoho is right and they do have spies in every post office.
orandashoho Posted July 1, 2018 Posted July 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Kuroyama said: Maybe @orandashoho is right and they do have spies in every post office. Cue "Twilight Zone" theme music... 1
Yatagarasu Posted July 1, 2018 Posted July 1, 2018 I've often seen banzuke for sale on eBay. I've ordered relatively recent ones on eBay without any trouble. I'm guessing that the official Kyokai online shop won't ship overseas, in which case you might be able to use an intermediary like White Rabbit Express or something. 1
Eikokurai Posted July 4, 2018 Posted July 4, 2018 On 7/1/2018 at 12:03, K. Sear said: Same thing happened to me a couple of times. Two banzuke went missing: John replaced one when the following basho happened and the other just evaporated. I also bought this year's sumo calendar and it went missing, another was sent, then both showed up on the same day. It is odd that you also had the same problem. Maybe it’s just that the Japanese postal service isn’t that good. I mailed something (a single envelope) from Osaka to Shanghai in 2007 and it still hasn’t arrived.
Otokonoyama Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Eikokurai said: Maybe it’s just that the Japanese postal service isn’t that good. I mailed something (a single envelope) from Osaka to Shanghai in 2007 and it still hasn’t arrived. Japan Post has superb domestic service. I suspect the problem is that once mail destined for international addresses is transferred to the care of other postal services, the lesser standards of those services is responsible for the delays and disappearances.
Eikokurai Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Otokonoyama said: Japan Post has superb domestic service. I suspect the problem is that once mail destined for international addresses is transferred to the care of other postal services, the lesser standards of those services is responsible for the delays and disappearances. The Chinese postal service is generally pretty good, so I’d say that chances are even it’s Japan or China’s fault.
Otokonoyama Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: The Chinese postal service is generally pretty good, so I’d say that chances are even it’s Japan or China’s fault. LOL! Superb is a cut above more often than not pretty good.
Eikokurai Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 Just now, Otokonoyama said: LOL! Superb is a cut above more often than not pretty good. Apparently your unfamiliar with British understatement.
Otokonoyama Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: Apparently your unfamiliar with British understatement. Ah yes, the inscrutable English. You're a funny guy.
Eikokurai Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Otokonoyama said: Ah yes, the inscrutable English. You're a funny guy. Ooh, a typo. You can have that one.
Otokonoyama Posted July 5, 2018 Posted July 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Eikokurai said: Ooh, a typo. You can have that one. There's no need to shout.
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