Any Vegas Sportsbooks take action on Sumo?

[jranderson222]

They laughed at me at Mandalay Bay when I asked if they’d take a bet on Sumo futures. Anyone know where they might take my bet?

[BroomeSumo]

Marathonbet take bets during each tournament but they have stopped allowing bets from Australia not sure how they go with US, they are a UK company.

[jranderson222]

Thank you!

[Pandaazuma]

I had no idea one could bet officially on sumo anywhere.

[Tsuchinoninjin]

There was a website on some amazon web service space that detailed marathonbet's success rate for sumo and a simple machine learning algorithm that could outperform it, but it seems to have disappeared into the nether. All I can find is the github for scraping but the actual analysis is missing :(

https://github.com/Cervus1983/sumo-odds

Edited December 28, 2017 by Tsuchinoninjin

[Gurowake]

It doesn't look like that site takes Sumo bets anymore.  The link from the github page was a 404.  But you can bet on who the next James Bond will be as well as some sports I didn't even know there were professional competitions for.

[RabidJohn]

11 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

I had no idea one could bet officially on sumo anywhere.

 

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

It doesn't look like that site takes Sumo bets anymore.  The link from the github page was a 404.  But you can bet on who the next James Bond will be as well as some sports I didn't even know there were professional competitions for.

I'm not a gambling man myself, but I'm led to understand you can bet on pretty much anything in the UK.

[Gurowake]

2 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

 

I'm not a gambling man myself, but I'm led to understand you can bet on pretty much anything in the UK.

But not Ozumo apparently.  There has to be enough interest such that they can make back the overhead from offering the bets, which includes paying for handicappers to set odds for them if they're using a fixed-odds system.  If their handicapping isn't good enough, they'll either lose money to those whose handicapping is better than theirs, or not attract enough punters because their odds are so terrible.  I definitely have tried to find online sports books with sumo multiple times in the past, but have always come up empty or am presented with odds that are just terrible (and it's gone by the next basho anyway).

[Terarno]

Please let me know when I can bet real money on a 7-7 Ozeki vs a 9-5 Ozeki on Senshuraku... Pretty please.

[kawika]

On 12/27/2017 at 19:58, BroomeSumo said:

Marathonbet take bets during each tournament but they have stopped allowing bets from Australia not sure how they go with US, they are a UK company.

UK punters take all bets it seems...

[Jakusotsu]

On 31.12.2017 at 16:18, Terarno said:

Please let me know when I can bet real money on a 7-7 Ozeki vs a 9-5 Ozeki on Senshuraku... Pretty please.

The profit will probably be eaten up by the fee.

[Atenzan]

On 31/12/2017 at 17:18, Terarno said:

Please let me know when I can bet real money on a 7-7 Ozeki vs a 9-5 Ozeki on Senshuraku... Pretty please.

9-3 to the KK Ozeki historically. Not lopsided enough to be a certainty...

[Gurowake]

10 hours ago, McBugger said:

9-3 to the KK Ozeki historically. Not lopsided enough to be a certainty...

Yeah, I would think they could set reasonable odds in that situation.  They would be more lopsided than if the bout were to take place at other times, but we've seen Goeido fall to 7-8 against KK Ozeki multiple times in the past few years (they were 11-3 and 8-6), and similarly (though not the same) 8-6 Baruto beating Kisenosato on senshuraku for the basho that Kyokutenho won, denying him a place in the playoff.

But kadoban Ozeki have never lost at 7-7.  All Ozeki demotions since current kadoban system:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=o&form1_year=>1963&form2_rank=s

None of them even picked up a 7th win after their 8th lost.  I don't know how large the sample size is though; it's harder to query for since it involves the record after day 14 and the result of the previous basho.  If someone wants to run both queries and use Excel or something to match them up, though, have at it.

edit: query is a bit more expansive than needed; further research shows that the current system started in 1969, not 1964, but it doesn't affect the results of the query.

Edited January 3, 2018 by Gurowake