Takanohana-devil's advocate

[rhyen]

 

6 hours ago, orandashoho said:

 

Breaking away AND still participate in Ozumo, how is that possible without a major reform of the entire financial structure?

Setup up a competing association (there are 6 heya in his ichimon), just a question of how many other heyas (and rikishi) join his association.

They will also need funds to setup another stadium as well. This schism has always been the ultimate nightmare for the NSK since they are operating on a (break even) budget with low margins. 

[Asashosakari]

21 minutes ago, rhyen said:

This schism has always been the ultimate nightmare for the NSK since they are operating on a (break even) budget with low margins. 

Eh? It might be a nightmare scenario for PR reasons, but I highly doubt the financial implications would be in any way significant for the NSK if a handful of oyakata and a few dozen rikishi were to form an irrelevant breakaway organization. It didn't even work in the 1930s, and Tenryu's org had much better conditions for it than any modern equivalent would.

[Qwerry]

I'm not sure that all ichimon will follow Taka in new association. 

Seems like result of last election and cancelation of ichimon party demonstrate that Taka not so close to allies. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Qwerry

[Kintamayama]

The talk now is that during the rijikai on March 29th, Takanohana may be punished with a further demotion, or even worse-suspension of duties. Reason-lack of leadership in the Takayoshitoshi affair, notably for allowing him to use such a ridiculously long shikona. thereby upsetting the gyoji and yobidashi and forcing me to use smaller fonts.

Edited March 27, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Yatagarasu]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

The talk now is that during the rijikai on March 29th, Takanohana may be punished with a further demotion, or even worse-suspension of duties. Reason-lack of leadership in the Takayoshitoshi affair, notably for allowing him to use such a ridiculously long shikona. thereby upsetting the gyoji and yobidashi and forcing me to use smaller fonts.

He can’t really complain about suspension, should it come to pass. He expressed his opinion on demotion with his feet on the last occasion, so it’s clearly not an effective punishment. Surprised he hasn’t been disciplined for that as a stand-alone offence. Plus he left his deshi basically unattended at the Edion for days, so can’t be surprised that the NSK labours under the impression that he thinks he has better things to do with his time. 

[maorencze]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

The talk now is that during the rijikai on March 29th, Takanohana may be punished with a further demotion, or even worse-suspension of duties. Reason-lack of leadership in the Takayoshitoshi affair, notably for allowing him to use such a ridiculously long shikona. thereby upsetting the gyoji and yobidashi and forcing me to use smaller fonts.

I'm curious what you'll do if  after Wakatakakage gets promoted

Edited March 27, 2018 by maorencze

[Akinomaki]

5 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

The talk now is that during the rijikai on March 29th, Takanohana may be punished with a further demotion, or even worse-suspension of duties.

So you see that I'm still moderate in seeing the danger of heya close-down (gone)

Taka's mother today on the Viking wide show got furious about Ikenobo and her comment with a phrase derived from one of ancient Chinese politician 楊震  "Know heaven, know earth, know humans" - meaning that evil deeds will certainly come to light, no matter how one tries to hide them: "She hates the heya and him personally" http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/entame/entertainment/960550/

Ikenobo had said in a recent interview that she likes him

maybe also furious about that gleeful happy face of Ikenobo

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Edited March 27, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama]

3 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

So you see that I'm still moderate in seeing the danger of heya close-down (gone)

To

Doesn't suspension of duties mean he will not be able to do anything sumo for a while?  How is that a heya-close down? Hell will freeze over before they will take away his heya.

[Akinomaki]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Doesn't suspension of duties mean he will not be able to do anything sumo for a while?  How is that a heya-close down? Hell will freeze over before they will take away his heya.

Suspension of duties includes duties as shisho - and that means (temporary) heya close-down, if he has no oyakata in the heya who can take over till the suspension is lifted. In that case, the rikishi have to become members of another heya for that time. We had that in recent years (Kise-beya - on closure with no guarantee of ever lifting the ban).

Edited March 27, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Kintamayama]

Just now, Akinomaki said:

Suspension of duties includes duties as shisho - and that means (temporary) heya close-down, if he has no oyakata in the heya who can take over till the suspension is lifted. In that case, the rikishi have to become members of another heya for that time. We had that in recent years.

Temporary. that's the word. In any case, it won't happen.

[Dapeng]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Suspension of duties includes duties as shisho - and that means (temporary) heya close-down, if he has no oyakata in the heya who can take over till the suspension is lifted. In that case, the rikishi have to become members of another heya for that time. We had that in recent years (Kise-beya - on closure with no guarantee of ever lifting the ban).

The kyokai may demote Takanohana for several ranks to the bottom and Takanohana is ready to accept it, based on his recent talks. Closure of heya is unlikely in my opinion. Also, the Takanohana ichimon may disintegrate.

[Dapeng]

Takanohana's most severe offense is that he submitted a petition to the government right before a honbasho. Other offenses include unauthorized TV interview, ignorance of duty during a honbasho, and the responsibility in Takayoshitoshi scandal.

[RabidJohn]

@Akinomaki Please tell me that Taka's mum at some point said: "He's not the messiah! He's a very naughty boy!"

[Kintamayama]

This is how it's going down: The Toshiyori-kai, made up of all Oyakatas, will convene tomorrow and will demand some answers from Takanohana, regarding his "somewhat" erratic behavior lately. There are some Oyakata who are saying they will demand a "contract cancellation", which translated to reality, means total dismissal. The procedure? Takanohana will be asked questions, and if they see fit, the toshiyori kai will recommend a punishment (This is not the rijikai- the rank and file Oyakata are probably totally fed up with Takanohana seemingly breaking every rule in the book, so anything can  happen, I now realize..). This will be decided by the 80 non-riji, non-yakuin Oyakatas. The toshiyori-kai's decision cannot and will not be ignored by Hakkaku and the other riji and they in turn will discuss it and decide on the punishment on Thursday, the day after tomorrow. "He has caused big problems, so we would like to hear what he has to say and then it is likely , depending on the situation, that we will reach a decision," said someone from the toshiyori-kai management.

Edited March 27, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

"There are a few Oyakatas who are demanding extreme measures. Myself and  five Ichimon representatives will be neutral and will be asking the questions as representatives. There are a lot of Oyakatas who distrust Takanohana. I have a feeling the representatives' questions won't be enough.." explained Nishikido Oyakata who is chairing the meeting and is taking a calm stand, opting for dialogue.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

Takanohana was appointed to the shinpan offices and the guidance office today. He will be on shinpan duty next basho and will also be in the banzuke-making committee. Not being a riji, his offices will be the at the judging department. His boss at the shinpan offices? Ounomatsu oyakata of the Takanohana Ichimon. Punishments for him and Takayoshitoshi will be announced tomorrow. No word on what happened at the toshiyori-kai yet.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

Takanohana will be demoted to iin (committee member),  a one rank demotion. If that's the final result, well..

[Kintamayama]

"I have done this before, but I want to start over refreshed," said Takanohana of his going back to shinpan duties.

[maorencze]

13 hours ago, Dapeng said:

Takanohana's most severe offense is that he submitted a petition to the government right before a honbasho. Other offenses include unauthorized TV interview, ignorance of duty during a honbasho, and the responsibility in Takayoshitoshi scandal.

Don't forget his fashion style, that rivals his submitted petition

[Kintamayama]

In summary, the toshiyorikai, after listening to what Takanohana had to say and despite the aggressive rhetoric from some of its members, decided not to suggest a punishment, but said it is entrusting everything to the rijikai. "We just wanted to hear his side of the story regarding everything. He explained, said he is reflecting on his deeds and said it won't happen again. We leave it all to the rijikai," said Nishikido oyakata who initiated the meeting and presided over it. This, after  demands to oust him from the kyokai were heard from certain  Oyakata. 

[Kintamayama]

Takanohana apologized deeply for everything at a press conference after the toshiyori-kai. The meeting was a two-hour affair, uninterrupted by commercials.  "Regarding my behavior till now,  I have caused deep bother to all Kyokai members. I take full responsibility for the actions of Takayoshitoshi. It's all on me," he said. Regarding the complaint he sent to the Cabinet Office: "I have withdrawn it today, and have notified all the people at the toshiyori-kai.   " he added.

Apology:

Edited March 28, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Regarding the complaint he sent to the Cabinet Office: "I have withdrawn it today, and have notified all the people at the toshiyori-kai.   " he added.

Yesterday the Cabinet Office office had announced that there was nothing from Takanohana yet regarding the withdrawal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGDAAcZEFY

- there would have been a more hostile atmosphere at the toshiyori-kai if he hadn't withdrawn it at the last moment

[yorikiried by fate]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

The meeting was a two-hour affair, uninterrupted by commercials.

Hilarious!

 

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

 

He surely owns a lot of cell phones...

[lackmaker]

And an oversized jacket.

Is he checking his phone for Kintamayamas situation update?

Edited March 28, 2018 by lackmaker

[Dapeng]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Takanohana will be demoted to iin (committee member),  a one rank demotion. If that's the final result, well..

That's not a demotion.  He is already at "iin" rank.