Asashosakari Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Juryo yusho race: 9-2 Yutakayama, Asanoyama 8-3 Daiamami 7-4 Kaisei, Myogiryu, Homarefuji, Osunaarashi, Abi Funny, we're back to where we were two days ago as far as the top 3 are concerned. Asanoyama and Daiamami sent Myogiryu and Kaisei into the two-behind section, and Yutakayama kept pace by beating Yamaguchi. Four others in yesterday's 7-4 group also lost, so the field has thinned out significantly. Tomorrow's slate of bouts includes only one head-to-head matchup among our 8 contenders with Yutakayama going against Homarefuji, the rest are facing opponents of various records between 6-5 and 4-7. Lower division yusho races (Day 11 results and links to video where available): 6-0 Ms11e Yago (Oguruma) 5-1 Ms20e Sagatsukasa (Irumagawa) 5-1 Ms35w Aokishin (Kasugano)6-0 Ms53e Ryusei (Kagamiyama) 6-0 Sd11e Fukugoriki (Arashio) 5-1 Sd31w Rao (Tatsunami) 5-1 Sd49w Asatenmai (Takasago)6-0 Sd66w Ryuko (Onoe) 5-1 Sd77w Amanishiki (Hakkaku)6-0 Sd98w Shohoryu (Tokitsukaze) 6-0 Jd10e Enho (Miyagino) 5-1 Jd35e Tanabe (Kise)6-0 Jd49e Masunoyama (Chiganoura) 5-1 Jd67e Mitsuuchi (Onomatsu)6-0 Jd76w Maeta (Shibatayama) 5-1 Jd96w Shinzan (Takasago) 5-1 Jk13w Kotoharamoto (Sadogatake)6-0 Jk25e Tomokaze (Oguruma) Very nice action in both makushita semifinals. I'll shamelessly admit that I was also rooting for Sagatsukasa there, but Yago took it after a protracted struggle. He'll be facing Ryusei for the yusho after the veteran from the Kagamiyama mini-stable prevailed over Aokishin. Promising newcomer Ryuko did come through against tricky Asatenmai, but it took a tawara balancing act and a (short) mono-ii to confirm his victory. The other two bouts were arguably both won by the higher-upside competitor, so it's Fukugoriki and young Shohoryu who join Ryuko at 6-0. Jonidan saw Enho repeating his victory over Tanabe to maintain his chance of a 14-0 career start, while Masunoyama and Maeta were the unsurprising winners of the other two contender bouts. Tomokaze rolled through his outclassed opponent in jonokuchi and easily moved up to 6-0. With victories by both the lowest-ranked contender in sandanme and the highest-ranked one from jonidan, it's very likely that the 3+3 yusho races in these divisions will be sorted out by matching Shohoryu with Enho, guaranteeing us one playoff. Tomokaze should be facing "random 5-1 jonidan guy", with his exact identity probably largely immaterial to the outcome. Edited July 20, 2017 by Asashosakari 2
Gurowake Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: With victories by both the lowest-ranked contender in sandanme and the highest-ranked one from jonidan, it's very likely that the 3+3 yusho races in these divisions will be sorted out by matching Shohoryu with Enho, guaranteeing us one playoff. Tomokaze should be facing "random 5-1 jonidan guy", with his exact identity probably largely immaterial to the outcome. MItsuuchi too high ranked to fill that role? Probably higher than normal, but it might make for a good match for once. Of course, they might fully intend to not want to give the 6-0 Jk rikishi a "good match", but rather someone he'll effectively always stomp (a few basho ago not withstanding). edit: the 5-1 that Wakayama lost to in Hatsu at 6-0 was actually a Jk rikishi, but had career proclivities to be just as bad as any random Jonidan 5-1. Edited July 19, 2017 by Gurowake
Asashosakari Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gurowake said: He's eligible for promotion certainly, and if it makes sense to promote him they will. If Kizenryu and Kitaharima win their last matches, they might be seen as better promotion candidates, but they'd still try to find someone to demote to promote a 7-0 at his rank much like they did last basho with Asahisho. 7-0's from the top 15 ranks are supposed to take precedence over pretty much anything else, as far as I know. Okinoumi was stuck behind one despite scoring 5 wins as Ms1w, and the yusho winner was only marginally better-ranked than Yago is this time.
Gurowake Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Asashosakari said: 7-0's from the top 15 ranks are supposed to take precedence over pretty much anything else, as far as I know. Okinoumi was stuck behind one despite scoring 5 wins as Ms1w, and the yusho winner was only marginally better-ranked than Yago is this time. While true, that's not of direct implication as to whether a 5-2 Ms1e or 6-1 Ms2e might be seen as better than a 7-0 from the lower third of the zensho promotion zone. Plus, Shimoda was left in Makushita behind a 4-3 Ms1w (although his even lower ranking and debut tournament may have been more of a factor).
Asashosakari Posted July 19, 2017 Author Posted July 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gurowake said: While true, that's not of direct implication as to whether a 5-2 Ms1e or 6-1 Ms2e might be seen as better than a 7-0 from the lower third of the zensho promotion zone. Plus, Shimoda was left in Makushita behind a 4-3 Ms1w (although his even lower ranking and debut tournament may have been more of a factor). I phrased that badly. I didn't mean to present Okinoumi's case as evidence, just as a demonstration. To my knowledge it's an outright internal regulation of the banzuke committee that top 15 7-0's are having first dibs on the available promotion spots.
d_golem Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Pandaazuma said: I doubt Pierre needs a dictionary; he speaks English better than I do. Asashosakari's real name is Pierre??? Sacre bleu!
Gurowake Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: I phrased that badly. I didn't mean to present Okinoumi's case as evidence, just as a demonstration. To my knowledge it's an outright internal regulation of the banzuke committee that top 15 7-0's are having first dibs on the available promotion spots. I understood what you meant. I just meant to say that with Shimoda's lack of promotion, we know there's a line *somewhere* where they will not promote someone at 7-0 who is ranked at ms15. Shimoda's case may be a perfect storm of reasons why not, and no other msTD starter has gone 7-0 in their debut so we don't know if perhaps it's just that msTDs are somewhat disfavored despite your recollection once that the debut choice was "sold" as being one zensho from Juryo. And attitudes may have changed with that decision, and Okinoumi being held back with a 5-2 ms1w may have been a reaction to that, such that it absolutely is a guarantee now. But it's hard to get incontrovertible proof of anything in the banzuke-making world, and regardless minds/people on the banzuke committee change. I don't mean to suggest that a 7-0 won't be good enough, but that it's fairly reasonable to believe that if they'll overdemote someone for a 6-1 Ms2w like last basho, that such a rikishi is really high up on the queue, and we're pretty sure they'll force an overdemotion with a 7-0 if at all possible, and thus it's much more likely we'll see an overdemotion than either of them stuck in Makushita. Edited July 20, 2017 by Gurowake
Gurowake Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Let's not forget the possibility of Yoshikaze going 11-4 and opening up a sanyaku spot that way. (He'll lose today obviously because I mentioned it)
Bumpkin Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 12 hours ago, Gurowake said: Let's not forget the possibility of Yoshikaze going 11-4 and opening up a sanyaku spot that way. (He'll lose today obviously because I mentioned it) How would Yoshikaze getting promoted to a 3rd Sekiwake have any effect on 42 Makuuchi and 28 Juryo? Only an intai would open up an extra spot.
ryafuji Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: How would Yoshikaze getting promoted to a 3rd Sekiwake have any effect on 42 Makuuchi and 28 Juryo? Only an intai would open up an extra spot. Sanyaku spot, not makuuchi spot. Yoshikaze forcing a sekiwake promotion would leave a komusubi spot open.
Bumpkin Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: How would Yoshikaze getting promoted to a 3rd Sekiwake have any effect on 42 Makuuchi and 28 Juryo? Only an intai would open up an extra spot. 22 minutes ago, ryafuji said: Sanyaku spot, not makuuchi spot. Yoshikaze forcing a sekiwake promotion would leave a komusubi spot open. I thought Gurowake was posting about a Juryo over-demotion to make room for Ms11e Yago (6-0) if he were to finish 7-0 Y.
Asashosakari Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Day 12 (results, text-only results): 11-1 Hakuho Y1 Harumafuji 9-3 2-4-6 Kisenosato Y2 Kakuryu 2-2-8 1-5-6 Terunofuji O1 Goeido 7-5 8-4 Takayasu O2 Following yesterday's loss Hakuho was very much up for a fight on Day 12, and took it out on poor Tamawashi to secure career win number 1047, tying him atop the all-time standings with beloved former ozeki Kaio, who was present at ringside for it in his judging duties. Harumafuji kept pace with the leader via a decisive victory over Mitakeumi, while new ozeki Takayasu is being very ozeki-ish, losing his second straight since clinching the kachikoshi. Goeido had little trouble against Kagayaki and stands just one win away from his own KK, but does enter the customary top 4 roundrobin now and won't have any further easy bouts. (Okay, Goeido-Takayasu on Day 15, erm...) Tamawashi at sekiwake still needs to worry about kachikoshi as well, now 6-6 after the Hakuho loss. Meanwhile, as pointed out up-thread, there's still the possibility of Yoshikaze forcing his way up to the third-highest rank even if Tamawashi doesn't fall. He took another step towards it today with sumo that was both clever and resilient, beating Tochinoshin for his 4th straight win and collecting his KK, at minimum anchoring himself to the komusubi rank for Aki basho. Our other komusubi Kotoshogiku survived his first demotion bout with an easy win over Shodai who already seems in post-basho mode. The race for the possibly one or two available sanyaku slots became a little bit tighter thanks to Tochinoshin's defeat, with Hokutofuji, Tochiozan (against ozeki Takayasu) and Aoiyama improving their standing, while Onosho fell victim to a trademark Chiyotairyu pulldown and Ura's less than optimal condition was on display in a loss to Ichinojo. Aoiyama is back to being the (nominal) sole #1 pursuer of leader Hakuho. 6-6 Tamawashi S1 Mitakeumi 8-4 8-4 Yoshikaze K Kotoshogiku 5-7 M1 7-5 Tochinoshin M2 Hokutofuji 6-6 M3 6-6 Ura M4 M5 Tochiozan 9-3 M6 Onosho 9-3 M7 10-2 Aoiyama M8 Kotoyuki's 3-year stint in makuuchi is now certain to be interrupted after snatching painful defeat from victory against Chiyonokuni. It was hard to see what exactly happened in his hard landing - groin pull? cracked rib? just got the wind knocked out of him? - and it remains to be seen if he'll be competing on the final weekend at all. Arawashi and Sadanoumi should now be good to go for Aki after beating Tokushoryu and Okinoumi, who themselves remain in danger. Takanoiwa is technically safe as well with today's victory over Sokokurai, but the juryo race is suddenly shaping up to be rather strong, so his very borderline projected position may not be quite enough to stay. Sokokurai for his part is now in the greatest trouble of those who aren't already on the way down. Meanwhile, the first promotion slot has officially been claimed by Kaisei who secured kachikoshi against Amakaze. Yutakayama and Asanoyama had the same results for the third day running, this time they were back to losing though. Azumaryu (4 wins in 5 days) and Myogiryu (3 in 4) have moved up into credible positions and can produce promotable records with just a 2-1 finish to the basho. Kyokushuho and Toyohibiki on the other hand must resign themselves to at least one more juryo tournament after today's MKs. (?) 3-9 Takanoiwa M7 M8 (1) 3-9 Tokushoryu M9 Okinoumi 4-8 (1) M10 M11 Daishomaru 5-7 (1) (o) 6-6 Arawashi M12 M13 Sokokurai 5-7 (2) (o) 7-5 Sadanoumi M14 Kotoyuki 3-9 (x) (1) 6-6 Nishikigi M15 Chiyomaru 7-5 (1) (x) 3-9 Gagamaru M16 --- (o) 8-4 Kaisei J1 Kyokushuho 4-8 (x) (x) 4-8 Toyohibiki J2 (2) 7-5 Azumaryu J3 (2) 8-4 Myogiryu J4 Aminishiki 7-5 (3) (1) 9-3 Yutakayama J5 Asanoyama 9-3 (1) J6 J7 Kotoeko 6-6 (x) (3) 9-3 Daiamami J8 Rikishin had no answer to Aminishiki being Aminishiki, went makekoshi and now has to win three straight to not see his juryo time end after 4 basho. Seiro and Kitataiki also lost, putting them in a fairly precarious situation as well. Abi, however, clinched kachikoshi and Terutsuyoshi had his 4th victory in five days to move to within one win of safety. I'm declaring Kizenryu safe for promotion now - in the worst-case scenario of him finishing 4-3 and both Kitaharima and Yago winning their final bouts, he should still be favoured enough to force down a 7-8 Rikishin, if needed. (I'm not so sure if that also goes for Kitaharima at 5-2, so no (o) mark for him yet.) J6 Seiro 2-10 (2) ... (2) 5-7 Kitataiki J12 Terutsuyoshi 6-6 (1) (x) 2-10 Satoyama J13 Rikishin 4-8 (3) (o) 8-4 Abi J14 Tobizaru 4-8 (x) (o) 4-2 Kizenryu Ms1 5-1 Kitaharima Ms2 Shimanoumi 3-3 4-2 Daiseido Ms3 Ms4 Jokoryu 3-3 3-3 Masunosho Ms5 Takagenji 4-2 Ms6 Tochihiryu 5-1 ... 6-0 Yago Ms11 The standings make it clear that there are only two really good makushita choices for exchange bouts, and both Shimanoumi and Daiseido will be getting that opportunity already tomorrow, facing Terutsuyoshi and Rikishin. The schedulers are required to keep at least two more options available for the last two days, so some combination of Kizenryu/Takagenji, Kitaharima/Tochihiryu and Jokoryu/Masunosho could also be sent up if needed, but I expect all three pairings to fight head-to-head in makushita instead. Tomorrow's main wildcard in the promotion race is of course Yago's yusho decider against Ryusei, who was in the same position last year and scored the upset over Yamaguchi to cost him the juryo promotion. Edited July 20, 2017 by Asashosakari 11
Asashosakari Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Juryo yusho race: 9-3 Yutakayama, Asanoyama, Daiamami 8-4 Kaisei, Myogiryu, Homarefuji, Abi 7-5 Azumaryu, Aminishiki, Ryuden, Osunaarashi, Meisei The first week made promises of a very high yusho-winning score, but the most likely outcome at this point is probably 11-4 after Yutakayama and Asanoyama had to yield again and were caught by Daiamami at the top of the race. The top 7 guys are all from different stables, and the sudden complexity of the race has enabled a number of additional matchups between contenders, so no less than 6 of them are paired up for tomorrrow: Yutakayama-Daiamami, Asanoyama-Homarefuji and Myogiryu-Abi are all on the docket, with Kaisei facing 6-6 Kotoeko to round out the day. Several more match possibilities remain available afterwards for the final two days: - Asanoyama vs Daiamami - Kaisei / Myogiryu / Daiamami can all still face Homarefuji - Kaisei / Yutakayama / Asanoyama / Daiamami can all still face Abi Lower division yusho races: 6-0 Ms11e Yago (Oguruma) 6-0 Ms53e Ryusei (Kagamiyama) 6-0 Sd11e Fukugoriki (Arashio) 6-0 Sd66w Ryuko (Onoe) 6-0 Sd98w Shohoryu (Tokitsukaze) 6-0 Jd10e Enho (Miyagino) 6-0 Jd49e Masunoyama (Chiganoura) 6-0 Jd76w Maeta (Shibatayama) 6-0 Jk25e Tomokaze (Oguruma) As expected they're doing Shohoryu - Enho for a spot in either a sandanme or a jonidan playoff, with the other division set to be decided right away tomorrow. Tomokaze faces the highest-ranked opponent I considered possible (I didn't expect them to go beyond Jd90) and gets Jd93e Asashiomoto whose 5-1 record is the very first time in his 8-tournament career that he even has 5 wins. Needless to say, Tomokaze losing would be a major surprise. Edited July 20, 2017 by Asashosakari 1
Asashosakari Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 And the ex-sekitori through Day 12... new KK: Kizenryu, Akiseyama, Asabenkei, Toyonoshima, Shotenro new MK: Asahisho, Tokushinho, Kagamio, Hitenryu, Kaonishiki 4-2 Ms1e Kizenryu (Kise, 32, 3) 2-2-2 Ms1w Asahisho (Tomozuna, 27, 1) 5-1 Ms2e Kitaharima (Yamahibiki, 30, 2) 3-3 Ms2w Shimanoumi (Kise, 28, 6) 2-4 Ms3w Oiwato (Hakkaku, 36, 22) 3-3 Ms4w Jokoryu (Kise, 28, 7) 4-2 Ms5w Takagenji (Takanohana, 20, 1) 2-4 Ms6e Tokushinho (Kise, 33, 10) 5-1 Ms6w Tochihiryu (Kasugano, 30, 15) 3-3 Ms7w Daishoho (Oitekaze, 22, 4) 4-2 Ms9e Akiseyama (Kise, 32, 7) 4-2 Ms10w Asabenkei (Takasago, 28, 5) 3-3 Ms12e Fujiazuma (Tamanoi, 30, 2) 4-2 Ms13e Dewahayate (Dewanoumi, 28, 6) 3-3 Ms15e Higonojo (Kise, 32, 19) 2-4 Ms16w Keitenkai (Onomatsu, 27, 29) 3-3 Ms17w Sotairyu (Tokitsukaze, 34, 14) 3-3 Ms18w Takaryu (Kise, 25, 12) 1-5 Ms19w Wakanoshima (Shibatayama, 32, 3) 5-1 Ms20e Sagatsukasa (Irumagawa, 35, 20) 3-3 Ms20w Amuru (Onomatsu, 33, 3) 3-3 Ms23e Chiyoarashi (Kokonoe, 26, 24) 4-2 Ms28e Toyonoshima (Tokitsukaze, 34, 5) 4-2 Ms29w Tenkaiho (Onoe, 32, 7) 3-3 Ms32w Nionoumi (Yamahibiki, 30, 24) 2-4 Ms34e Sakigake (Shibatayama, 31, 15) 1-5 Ms38e Kotomisen (Sadogatake, 34, 22) 2-4 Ms39w Kagamio (Kagamiyama, 29, 7) 2-4 Ms51w Hitenryu (Tatsunami, 33, 35) 2-4 Ms57e Kaonishiki (Azumazeki, 38, 35) 4-2 Ms59w Shotenro (Fujishima, 35, 8) kyujo Sd10w Dewaotori (Dewanoumi, 31, 64) 3-3 Sd13w Dairaido (Takadagawa, 37, 65) 2-4 Sd14e Yoshiazuma (Tamanoi, 40, 17) 1-5 Sd17w Masakaze (Oguruma, 34, 28) 6-0 Jd49e Masunoyama (Chiganoura, 26, 14) 3
Gurowake Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Bumpkin said: I thought Gurowake was posting about a Juryo over-demotion to make room for Ms11e Yago (6-0) if he were to finish 7-0 Y. Yes, I have a bad habit of changing topics without explicitly mentioning that I am, leaving people confused.
Ack! Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 If Ura or Ichinojo don't manage a KK, there's going to have to be some extreme promotions to fill vacated joi positions. M10 Chiyotairyu at 9-4 is actually a candidate???
Shatsume Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Well if he gets another 2 wins thats a fair enough promotion to M3!
Asashosakari Posted July 21, 2017 Author Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Day 13 (results, text-only results): 12-1 Hakuho Y1 Harumafuji 10-3 2-4-7 Kisenosato Y2 Kakuryu 2-2-9 1-5-7 Terunofuji O1 Goeido 7-6 8-5 Takayasu O2 It started with a henka and was a bit jittery overall, but Hakuho prevailed over Takayasu on the first day of the high-ranker roundrobin, and collected the new record-setting 1048th win of his career. Congrats! 1000 makuuchi wins next? The other highlight bout of the day was also won by a yokozuna as Harumafuji had little trouble against Goeido. Still two wins behind the leader, he now requires that Goeido upset Hakuho tomorrow though. The results of the four lower sanyaku today are likely to provide maximum interest for the next couple of days. Yoshikaze won against Ikioi to stay in his personal promotion race, Kotoshogiku beat Ura to stave off demotion once more, but both sekiwake lost so Tamawashi now has to chase KK from 6-7 and Mitakeumi may actually get passed at sekiwake by a charging Yoshikaze if their win differential becomes even bigger. Sanyaku hopefuls Hokutofuji and Tochinoshin were the ones to beat the sekiwake duo and both are making good cases for promotion; Tochinoshin is even kachikoshi after today. Outside contenders Tochiozan and Aoiyama of Kasugano-beya were also successful, while Onosho lost for a second day and Ura no longer has a shot at all. 6-7 Tamawashi S1 Mitakeumi 8-5 9-4 Yoshikaze K Kotoshogiku 6-7 M1 8-5 Tochinoshin M2 Hokutofuji 7-6 M3 (x) 6-7 Ura M4 M5 Tochiozan 10-3 M6 Onosho 9-4 M7 11-2 Aoiyama M8 Takanoiwa has extricated himself from the demotion race now, but his spot on the hot seat has been taken over by Tokushoryu and Nishikigi, both victorious today but not quite out of the woods yet despite favourable numbers. Daishomaru and Chiyomaru won't have to worry about that as they're in the clear after today. The seven remaining promotion contenders in juryo went 6-1 on Day 13 (only Yutakayama lost), so the race has become even more closely contested, and it now looks quite possible that somebody will be missing out with a normally promotable record. Consequently I've marked Asanoyama as a question mark for now despite his newly achieved double digit score. (o) 4-9 Takanoiwa M7 M8 (?) 4-9 Tokushoryu M9 Okinoumi 4-9 (1) M10 M11 Daishomaru 6-7 (o) M12 M13 Sokokurai 5-8 (2) M14 Kotoyuki 3-10 (x) (?) 7-6 Nishikigi M15 Chiyomaru 8-5 (o) (x) 3-10 Gagamaru M16 --- (o) 9-4 Kaisei J1 J2 (1) 8-5 Azumaryu J3 (1) 9-4 Myogiryu J4 Aminishiki 8-5 (2) (1) 9-4 Yutakayama J5 Asanoyama 10-3 (?) J6 J7 (2) 10-3 Daiamami J8 The results of the exchange bouts went as one might have expected them to go based on recent form - Terutsuyoshi extended his winning ways, saved himself and sent Shimanoumi to makekoshi, while Rikishin lost his 5th match in a row and will now be headed back to makushita. Daiseido still needs one more guy to drop though to profit from today's win. For now, the three available slots have been claimed by Kizenryu, Kitaharima and the freshly crowned yusho winner Yago. Kitataiki has lost 7 of 8 since starting the basho with a 4-1 record and now has his back to the wall. Even a henka against Tsurugisho didn't help him today. Seiro tried the same tactics against Chiyootori and it worked better for him, so he might save himself after all. J6 Seiro 3-10 (1) ... (2) 5-8 Kitataiki J12 Terutsuyoshi 7-6 (o) (x) 2-11 Satoyama J13 Rikishin 4-9 (x) J14 Tobizaru 5-8 (x) (o) 4-2 Kizenryu Ms1 (o) 5-1 Kitaharima Ms2 Shimanoumi 3-4 (x) 5-2 Daiseido Ms3 Ms4 Jokoryu 3-3 3-3 Masunosho Ms5 Takagenji 4-2 Ms6 Tochihiryu 5-1 ... (o) 7-0 Yago Ms11 Kizenryu-Takagenji is taking place in makushita tomorrow, but the other four aforementioned remain available for possible Day 15 duty. Edited July 22, 2017 by Asashosakari 8
Ack! Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Shatsume said: Well if he gets another 2 wins thats a fair enough promotion to M3! True, but he has never KKed above M6, and KK at M10 is his first above M12 since Kyushu 2014. He would appear to be just cannon fodder.
Asashosakari Posted July 21, 2017 Author Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Juryo yusho race: 10-3 Asanoyama, Daiamami 9-4 Kaisei, Myogiryu, Yutakayama 8-5 Azumaryu, Aminishiki, Homarefuji, Abi The various head-to-head matchups served to reduce the leaders group from 3 to 2 and cut the pursuers in half (not literally). With still 5 main contenders in the mix it's now quite unlikely that the two-behind group will get to figure into the yusho decision. They have matched up the pieces very well again, with four of the leaders and co-leaders going against the 8-5 quartet. Myogiryu will face KK-seeking Kyokutaisei (7-6). That means that Asanoyama-Daiamami remains available for a possible Day 15 match - should they both win tomorrow, it would be a direct clash for the yusho. (Edited to add: Actually, if they both lose and all three 9-4 guys lose as well, it would also be possible...) Lower division yusho races (Day 13 results and links to video where available): 7-0 Ms11e Yago (Oguruma) 6-1 Ms53e Ryusei (Kagamiyama) 7-0 Sd11e Fukugoriki (Arashio) 6-1 Sd66w Ryuko (Onoe) 6-1 Sd98w Shohoryu (Tokitsukaze) 7-0 Jd10e Enho (Miyagino)7-0 Jd49e Masunoyama (Chiganoura) 6-1 Jd76w Maeta (Shibatayama) 7-0 Jk25e Tomokaze (Oguruma) Lightning didn't strike a second time for Ryusei and this time the favoured rikishi won the makushita yusho decider, so Yago gets to go to juryo after just two tournaments. Fukugoriki had a decisive victory over youngster Ryuko, and it was for the yusho as Shohoryu had earlier lost the cross-division matchup to Enho. The latter will be going to the senshuraku playoff to face former top division wrestler Masunoyama who dispatched of Maeta in easy fashion. Tomokaze also made little fuss about beating Asashiomoto and takes the title in the lowest division. Congrats to all winners! Edited July 21, 2017 by Asashosakari 2
Flohru Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 15 hours ago, Ack! said: True, but he has never KKed above M6, and KK at M10 is his first above M12 since Kyushu 2014. He would appear to be just cannon fodder. Well, banzuke making goes by numbers, not by anticipating whether a rikishi might be cannon fodder at his new rank. Besides, just one year ago Tamawashi sure appeared to be cannon fodder in those ranks, too - it's never too late to start peaking, certainly not at age 28..
Gurowake Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) I don't think there will be a shortage of maegashira joi candidates, depending on what you mean. Assuming Tochinoshin is promoted, we have Kotoshogiku, Hokutofuji, Aoiyama, Tochiozan, and Onosho to fill out the top 16. Ok, after that there is a serious shortage of candidates, so the 17th spot will probably need someone brought up significantly. Ichinojo with a win will certainly take it, otherwise it looks to go to Chiyotairyu or Shohozan. But the top 16 will be very cramped, and someone is going to get some very bad luck to end up at M3e. I guess it wouldn't be too bad to be Kotoshogiku if he loses his last match, even if 6-9 Komusubi usually aren't demoted that far, since that's because there are usually no better choices for the joi ranks while this time there are. Looking at http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&rowcount=2&form1_rank=k&form1_wins=6&form1_year=>1980&sort_basho=2&sort_by=rank shows it sometimes even being worse when it's crowded at the top. Edited July 22, 2017 by Gurowake
Bumpkin Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 So if Kotoshogiku finishes 6-9 he will be anywhere from M1e to M4e next basho. Unfortunately, the higher he's ranked, the worse off he is. What a conundrum.
Gurowake Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: So if Kotoshogiku finishes 6-9 he will be anywhere from M1e to M4e next basho. Unfortunately, the higher he's ranked, the worse off he is. What a conundrum. I think if you erase the conditional on being 6-9 that's more accurate, as there is way too much competition for the top few spots for him to get to M1 with a 6-9. Komusubi end up at M1 after 6-9 a decent amount of the time because there's just no one else to put there, but that's the opposite of the case this time.
Shatsume Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) No chance of Chiyotairyu in the joi now Edited July 22, 2017 by Shatsume
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