Basho Talk - Nagoya 2017 (SPOILERS)

[WAKATAKE]

This is the first time that Harumafuji has started 0-2 in his yokozuna career. Defending the Nagoya title is becoming increasingly difficult now. Having watched Kinta's video and his question at the end, I would think that the first Y/O to withdraw is probably going to be Terunofuji. He's barely hobbling as is.

[d_golem]

52 minutes ago, dada78641 said:

Wow, calling a sport your child likes "revolting" after watching it once is a little harsh no matter the circumstances :)

As is the norm with most people in this "face-value" world we're living in...

[Akinomaki]

Imagine the only bout you ever see of sumo (of which you heard it's only fat men in diapers) as (likely won't ever happen) Orora vs. Akiseyama, yorikiri, 30s - I think I might have turned off the TV and never watched that sport again.

[bettega]

Yeah! Second win for Kaisei, with a very inovative kimarite (yorikiri). Now, just six to go! 

Edited July 10, 2017 by bettega

[Jakusotsu]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Imagine the only bout you ever see of sumo (of which you heard it's only fat men in diapers) as (likely won't ever happen) Orora vs. Akiseyama, yorikiri, 30s - I think I might have turned off the TV and never watched that sport again.

Well, what should I say: I got hooked by watching Konishiki when he already was far beyond his peak.

[Katooshu]

Don't stop, believing...

 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Katooshu

[Dapeng]

11 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Don't stop, believing...

 

Who's the winner?

 

[Fukurou]

17 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Ouch.

 

Ouch indeed. The gyoji looked shaky after, I thought. The dohyo certainly is cracking a lot, for so early in the tournament. Now that I know how and where they're stored, I'm waiting for someone to do themself an injury on those broom handles. eek!

29 minutes ago, Dapeng said:

Who's the winner?

The guy on the right (knees wrapped)

Edited July 10, 2017 by Fukurou

[RabidJohn]

33 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Well, what should I say: I got hooked by watching Konishiki when he already was far beyond his peak.

I got into sumo in spite of Konishiki, who was a fairly new ozeki when I started watching. Chiyonofuji's sheer awesomeness was what got me hooked, but Kirishima, Terao and Akinoshima were also among my favourites - none of them huge.

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Ura doing straightforward oshi-zumo against guys for whom you'd expect him to deploy trickery is a joy to watch. I commented a couple of basho ago that he was actually really good at it. Ok, there are still 13 days for him to crash and burn, but so far he's acquitted himself well.

Takakeisho lost in style today. He certainly doesn't lack in fighting spirit, but Kisenosato absorbed everything he had to give and showed proper yokozuna patience waiting for the short guy to knacker himself. Great bout.

Another short guy doing really well is Onosho. That training with Kisenosato seems to have improved his confidence.

Yoshikaze looks like he's carrying on where he left off last time, but so far rikishi against whom he already had a good record. I can't wait to see him meet Takakeisho, Hokutofuji and maybe Ura.

And just to prove I ain't fixated on short rikishi, Tamawashi is looking like he can hang on to that S1E slot for a while longer.

[Bumpkin]

1 hour ago, Dapeng said:

Who's the winner?

 

Ikegawa won. I don't know how he kept his heel in. It should have been a torinaoshi.

[Jakusotsu]

1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

 

 

Can't say anything about the bout, getting too distracted by "if you're not able to sit properly, stay away from the seats you weren't even allowed to pay for!"

[Kaminariyuki]

On 7/9/2017 at 08:53, Kintamayama said:

I'm always hoping someone will "upstage" me finally and take over. It's becoming really annoying to do this.

I very much appreciate the Youtube overviews (and often more entertaining than the other recaps that eventually become available). Often up much faster than NHK , which just takes so long to post. You know, we're waiting over here on this side of the planet, but not willing to get up from 1-3 in the morning to watch it live.

[Kintamayama]

2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Can't say anything about the bout, getting too distracted by "if you're not able to sit properly, stay away from the seats you weren't even allowed to pay for!"

That's Sadogatake's kid, no? So young and already knees badly banged up.

[Kaminariyuki]

Hakuho looking good. Could we see another zensho? ...and another big run? The prevailing wisdom is that the old man doesn't have that kind of edge anymore, but I'm not so sure.

Mitakeumi and Yoshikaze look to be fired up for the basho, and Ura (without henka) pulls out to 2-0. Endo and Chiyoshoma both seemed a little surprised at the ferocity of the forward attack. Seems like Ura's prevailing thread this basho may be "nobody touches my mawaashi."

[Philioyamfugi]

Here's A couple guys for the persistence watch. One is 47yr and other 39yr. Hard to believe these guys are making chanko at the stable for all these years.

 

[Jakusotsu]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

That's Sadogatake's kid, no? So young and already knees badly banged up.

Indeed. Father's cursed legacy, I guess.

[Katooshu]

Kotokamatani is the guy with the unbandaged knees and he must be wondering how he lost that one..

Edited July 10, 2017 by Katooshu

[Jakusotsu]

6 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

His son is the one with the unbandaged knees, who must be wondering how he lost that match.

Oops, you're right of course. The vid being shot from reverse angle was misleading.

Edited July 10, 2017 by Jakusotsu

[sekitori]

5 hours ago, Thundersnow said:

Hakuho looking good. Could we see another zensho? ...and another big run? The prevailing wisdom is that the old man doesn't have that kind of edge anymore, but I'm not so sure.

 

The so-called "old man" is only one year and four months older than Kisenosato, the newest yokozuna. He's just five months older than Kakuryu and he's actually one year and one month younger than the oldest yokozuna of all, Harumafuji. And judging from recent events, the "prevailing wisdom" that he's lost his edge appears to be neither prevalent nor very wise.  

Edited July 11, 2017 by sekitori

[robnplunder]

13 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Kise looked like Kise today, keeping Takakeisho at bay and securing makuuchi win #698, moving him into sole 8th place.

Tochinoshin tried to give Hak some competition, but Hak knows Tochi all too well, and moves to 25-0 against the Georgian.

Shodai scored his first kinboshi today, surprising everybody by turning the tables on Harumafuji.

Kakuryu made short work of Kotoshogiku, who for now will have an uphill battle if he wants to remain in the sanyaku.

Mitakeumi kept things heated in the rivalry against Hokutofuji and prevailed, it's going to be fun watching these two clash in future bouts.

Takayasu got that first win as an ozeki today, while his fellow ozeki didn't fare as well, Terunofuji dropping to Tamawashi and Goeido falling to Yoshikaze.

Ura being impressive and offensive in his sumo after the first two days, could we be seeing him face some ozeki or yokozuna?

And down in juryo, Aminishiki could be making his case for finally making it back to makuuchi.

• More impressed with Takakeisho even with the loss.  The guy gave Kise all he can handle.
• Tochinoshin looked good for a while for someone who went 0 for 24.   I think he will beat Hak if he keeps it up.
• Shodai surprised me, too.
• Kotoshogiku - an empty shell of his former self.
• Mitakeumi is the man.
• Taka's win was a no surprise.   Neither was Terunofuji's loss.  He goes kadoban just about every other basho and he is overdue for one.
• Ura seems to have his number and stayed unbeaten against him.   Real challenge is to come.
• Yea, Aminishiki.   Didn't even need a henka.

[sekitori]

18 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

• Tochinoshin looked good for a while for someone who went 0 for 24.   I think he will beat Hak if he keeps it up.

Someone who goes 0 for 24 may occasionally look pretty good but the fact remains that he always loses. As far as I know, moral victories don't count in sumo. The only question is which will happen first--Tochinoshin's victory over Hakuho or Hakuho's retirement. Right now, it seems that retirement is the better bet. 

[Katooshu]

Hak has 1 yusho and no jun-yusho over the past year. He's still very good, but the gap between him and the rest of the pack definitely shrunk, at least over that time. There has been no comparably unsuccessful stretch for him as a yokozuna...

Edited July 11, 2017 by Katooshu

[Morty]

54 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Hak has 1 yusho and no jun-yusho over the past year. He's still very good, but the gap between him and the rest of the pack definitely shrunk, at least over that time. There has been no comparably unsuccessful stretch for him as a yokozuna...

He also has a buggered elbow that is unlikely to heal and will hamper him in any future attempts to replicate past glories. He is still the greatest as far as I am concerned, but time catches up with everyone eventually

[pmac]

i predict 2 kinboshis today, maybe 3....... but dont nail me on that when its wrong :D

Edited July 11, 2017 by pmac

[kuroimori]

Wow! Hakuho just wiped Shodai to the floor with a massive right hand haymaker, aka tachi-ai harite.

Maybe a new kimarite is needed: slappy-otoshi

Shodai didn't know what hit him...