Rules of Promotion/Demotion...

[Asashosakari]

So how likely is it that they might try and keep the sanyaku numbers even and have 3 Komusubi, placing Hakuho in K2W?

Near zero, IMO. They've been very reluctant to go beyond two Sekiwake and two Komusubi in recent years, and it's only done when the results absolutely demand it.

I personally expected them to ease up on that when Musashimaru retired, but they haven't shown any inclination so far.

[MongolPower]

Is it possible that Kyokai is reluctunt because extra sanyaku slot cost extra money ? If tickets are not sold as much as used to Kyokai might try to save every penny.

[Doitsuyama]

Is it possible that Kyokai is reluctunt because extra sanyaku slot cost extra money ? If tickets are not sold as much as used to Kyokai might try to save every penny.

I doubt that very much. I doubt even that the Kyōkai is in any money trouble. Even if, the small extra allowance for a Sanyaku (which really isn't much in the whole picture) should easily be compensated with extra crowd due to more "attractive" rikishi. Don't forget that Sanyaku rikishi actually are attention drawers.

In this matter I am pretty much convinced that only traditional aspects like actual records are important. The same with Ōzeki and Yokozuna promotions. There always is a lot talk about how the Kyōkai "needs" more strong rikishi but the proof really is in the pudding. I have seen absolutely nothing in the direction that banzuke decisions are made on commercial aspects.

My rating analysis even suggests that there were pretty few questionable decisions in favor of promotion (Futahaguro, Wakanohana III, Miyabiyama, Masuiyama, and Futahaguro doesn't even really count as his career was cut very short). Besides Futahaguro, funnily my analysis very much supports the strategy to decide promotions without hard number criteria, as Wakanohana III and Miyabiyama promotions weren't based on much more than fulfilling the hard number criteria (two consecutive yusho; 34 wins over three basho).

[Lucius Flavonius]

What are the rules for promotion and demotion in Jonokuchi, Jonidan and Sandanme? How many positions will one advance with 6-1 in these divisions?

I also understand that Makushita has different rules than Jonokuchi, Jonidan and Sandanme. Toyonokuni will not be promoted into Juryo.

[Kintamayama]

I also understand that Makushita has different rules than Jonokuchi, Jonidan and Sandanme. Toyonokuni will not be promoted into Juryo.

No he won't, since all the Juryo promotees were announced two weeks ago, and he wasn't one of them.

[Kashunowaka]

What are the rules for promotion and demotion in Jonokuchi, Jonidan and Sandanme? How many positions will one advance with 6-1 in these divisions?

I also understand that Makushita has different rules than Jonokuchi, Jonidan and Sandanme. Toyonokuni will not be promoted into Juryo.

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1237

[Shomishuu]

Most of this discussion seems to point to Miyabiyama's promotion to Sekiwake as a given. It seems that Kyokutenho is much more deserving since he's never fallen below M3 in the last year while Miyabiyama has had three basho under that rank, including two at M7. No love for consistency?

[Zentoryu]

Most of this discussion seems to point to Miyabiyama's promotion to Sekiwake as a given.

Edited August 15, 2004 by Zentoryu

[Xris]

Is there any principle or rule about the way to choose between different fighters with different records, but that would obtain the same position (as this time between Kokkai, Shimotori and Hakuho)?

[Kashunowaka]

Is there any principle or rule about the way to choose between different fighters with different records, but that would obtain the same position (as this time between Kokkai, Shimotori and Hakuho)?

The evidence is inconclusive, but I have got the impression that more often than not, record is favoured over rank. In other words, a M11e with 9-6 is preferred over a M9e with 8-7, and a M11e with 7-8 is preferred over a M9e with 6-9. However, this seems to change when you get closer to sanyaku, or in sanyaku for that matter. This is especially the case for demotions - a bad record from lower sanyaku or upper maegashira is usually treated rather leniently. For instance, a komusubi west with 6-9 is usually not dropped all the way to M3w, so he will usually stay above a M2w with 7-8. For promotions from upper maegashira, the picture gets blurrier. This is one reason why you won't get any straight answers in this thread. (Showing respect...)

If you want to study the subject further, I recommend the previously mentioned promotion search page.

Edited August 16, 2004 by Kashunowaka

[Xris]

If you want to study the subject further, I recommend the previously mentioned promotion search page.

This search page is really great! Thanks. (I was stupid...)