Basho Talk - Hatsu Basho 2017 ** (SPOILERS)

[Nantonoyama]

1 hour ago, Rocks said:

So, if Harumafuji loses to Arawashi what do you all put the odds of him going kyujo at? Greater than 50%?

I would say, for a yokozuna :

1-2 : 25%
1-3 : 75%
1-4 : 99%

But this is a raw guess without figures to rely on

[Bumpkin]

I agree, Harumafuji will probably go kyujo if he losses one more match before Sunday.  Right now, he is 1- 2.  He probably should of skipped this basho. I wish him well.

[Yubinhaad]

Someone asked about Wakaichiro's first bout, but it's a blink-and-you-miss-it affair. His own shadow would've been better opposition, so still no idea of his actual level or technique. Day 4 will bring his first proper test against Narutaki.
 

[Asojima]

9 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

Someone asked about Wakaichiro's first bout, but it's a blink-and-you-miss-it affair. His own shadow would've been better opposition, so still no idea of his actual level or technique. Day 4 will bring his first proper test against Narutaki.

Body Language indicates good strength and self-confidence.  We may have someone worth watching.

 

[Ryoshishokunin]

1 hour ago, Bumpkin said:

I agree, Harumafuji will probably go kyujo if he losses one more match before Sunday.  Right now, he is 1- 2.  He probably should of skipped this basho. I wish him well.

I agree with the sentiment, but have to correct your word choice: it's one of my pet peeves.  The phrase is "should have" or "should've": without the should, the sentence would be 'He probably has skipped this basho', and has conjugate to have.  "Should of" is both ungrammatical and makes no sense.

I return you to your regularly scheduled basho talk.

[robnplunder]

2 hours ago, Rocks said:

So, if Harumafuji loses to Arawashi what do you all put the odds of him going kyujo at? Greater than 50%?

Greater than 50%, to save face or/and protect injury. 

[Atenzan]

May I call your attention to shin-deshi Chiyo Kazuki (千代 一貴),  who must have joined the wrong heya. His surname and current shikona is the chiyo- prefix of Kokonoe-beya rikishi, while the "ki" of his given name Kazuki is the Taka- prefix of Takanohana-beya rikishi. Yet, he joined Isegahama.

[Dapeng]

2 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

I would say, for a yokozuna :

1-2 : 25%
1-3 : 75%
1-4 : 99%

But this is a raw guess without figures to rely on

Someone do a search? I don't know how.

I think if he loses today he will withdraw from this basho.

 

[Bumpkin]

1 hour ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

I agree with the sentiment, but have to correct your word choice: it's one of my pet peeves.  The phrase is "should have" or "should've": without the should, the sentence would be 'He probably has skipped this basho', and has conjugate to have.  "Should of" is both ungrammatical and makes no sense.

I return you to your regularly scheduled basho talk.

OK.

[Fukurou]

1 hour ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

I agree with the sentiment, but have to correct your word choice: it's one of my pet peeves.  The phrase is "should have" or "should've": without the should, the sentence would be 'He probably has skipped this basho', and has conjugate to have.  "Should of" is both ungrammatical and makes no sense.

Dude, I know there are native English speakers here, but spelling isn't the only thing that changes based on where they're from. There are also a lot of people here who are not native English speakers, who make errors from time to time (and may well speak more languages than you do). You rarely see proper English or English grammar on net boards. We don't need the grammar police here. That's one of my pet peeves.

 

Edited January 10, 2017 by Fukurou

[Senkoho]

8 minutes ago, Fukurou said:

Dude, I know there are native English speakers here, but spelling isn't the only thing that changes based on where they're from. There are also a lot of people here who are not native English speakers, who make errors from time to time (and may well speak more languages than you do). You rarely see proper English or English grammar on net boards. We don't need the grammar police here. That's one of my pet peeves.

 

we kind've do, though.

[Asojima]

2 minutes ago, Senkoho said:

we kind've do, though.

If it's moderately understandable, its good nuff.

[littlebutts]

It looks like Yoshikaze made the right choice going back to the red mawashi. Green just wasn't cutting it.

[robnplunder]

1 hour ago, Fukurou said:

Dude, I know there are native English speakers here, but spelling isn't the only thing that changes based on where they're from. There are also a lot of people here who are not native English speakers, who make errors from time to time (and may well speak more languages than you do). You rarely see proper English or English grammar on net boards. We don't need the grammar police here. That's one of my pet peeves.

 

Well said.   In addition, I'd like to say that there are new members joining every week who don't know their way around.   I, too, am still finding out what ticks off the old and proper members here.   Now, back to the topic ... this HNH business is becoming an irritant, at least, to me.   It's poorly disguised henka.   There!  

Edited January 11, 2017 by robnplunder

[Rocks]

12 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

Well said.   In addition, I'd like to say that there are new members joining every week who don't know their way around.   I, too, am still finding out what ticks off the old and proper members here.   Now, back to the topic ... this HNH business is becoming an irritant.   It's poorly disguised henka.   There!  

Untrue! The very purpose of a henka is to avoid the tachi-ai  If you accept the initial engagement then anything that follows is merely a tactic. The HNH is a reversal. Like when they force an opponent to the bales trying to yorikiri and when they are unable to  they step away allowing the fiercely pushing opponent trying to stave of yorikiri to fall forward and then they Uwatenage them. Classic yokozuna tactics.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Rocks

[orandashoho]

If a rikishi takes the tachiai full on the chest or the collarbone, it is not a henka. If he is then able to deflect to the side and the opponent isn't fast enough to stop his forward charge, and he can help that movement along and off the dohyo, that is just fast and clever sumo.

[Fukurou]

13 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

this HNH business is becoming an irritant, at least, to me.   It's poorly disguised henka.   There!  

Now *that* is a point of contention around here     Personally, I come in on the not-a-henka side because he does accept the initial charge before he side-slips, whereas with a full-on henka they intentially avoid the initial strike entirely.  But YMMV.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Fukurou

[dingo]

I agree but there are somewhat different variations of the Harumafuji special. In his last bout Hakuho did a full-on tachiai and then went to the side, whereas sometimes other rikishi who utilise this move barely touch the opponent and definitively don't do a full tachiai. Harumafuji himself is most of the time somewhere in-between, I find. 

Edited January 11, 2017 by dingo

[Rocks]

BTW, I hate to say it but the HNH may be contributing to Harumafuji's  bad ankles. Keeping the ankles stiff are key to stopping a big tachi-ai push. If you put them in motion while taking the hit they are at angle and the force is more damaging due to the weakened position. maybe.

[robnplunder]

15 minutes ago, dingo said:

I agree but there are somewhat different variations of the Harumafuji special. In his last bout Hakuho did a full-on tachiai and then went to the side, whereas sometimes other rikishi who utilise this move barely touch the opponent and definitively don't do a full tachiai. Harumafuji himself is most of the time somewhere in-between, I find. 

Perhaps, a new term, halfenka, tachienka, or fill in your term <here>, is warranted here .   HNH sounds like a smartphone shorthand lingo, competition to NHK, or an initial of a high school.   

Edited January 11, 2017 by robnplunder

[Morty]

The HNH is definitely not a henka. That's because it's a HNH

[robnplunder]

There are 7 HNHs in here - http://www.acronymfinder.com/HNH.html

My favorite HNH?  Hepatic Modular Hyperplasia, whatever that is.

[Morty]

37 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

There are 7 HNHs in here - http://www.acronymfinder.com/HNH.html

My favorite HNH?  Hepatic Modular Hyperplasia, whatever that is.

Something to do with the liver I reckon.

[d_golem]

5 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Someone asked about Wakaichiro's first bout, but it's a blink-and-you-miss-it affair. His own shadow would've been better opposition, so still no idea of his actual level or technique. Day 4 will bring his first proper test against Narutaki.

I thought that The Afro did very well, regardless of opposition. Even though he's significantly smaller, he looks waaay more at ease with the movements and mannerism of a rikishi compared to the recent North American import (ex-Homarenishiki). Probably because he's got some Japanese background in him?

Now the more pressing question is, how the heck will they get a chon-mage out of that wonderful top of his?? I would reeeeeally love to have him go sekitori just to see an Afroicho-mage.

[sekitori]

2 hours ago, robnplunder said:

There are 7 HNHs in here - http://www.acronymfinder.com/HNH.html

My favorite HNH?  Hepatic Modular Hyperplasia, whatever that is.

The closest term that resembles it is Hepatic Nodular Hyperplasia which is known more commonly as Focal Nodular Hyperplasia (FNH) and it does have something to do with the liver. It's a benign liver tumor.  The first rikishi I found whose name begins with "F" and which FNH could apply to is Fujiazuma who once reached M4 and is now Makushita 3. But I have no idea if he has ever performed or even tried to perform a non-henka. 

Edited January 11, 2017 by sekitori