Achew! (Gezundheit) 2017 GTB invitation

[Rocks]

13 minutes ago, Nantonoyama said:

The fact that he finished kyujo is not supposed to change anything in the making of the banzuke. Of the fights he did, he was 9-3, which is really impressive... why would it worth less than a 9-6?

It isn't supposed to but will I think. Why promote a guy likely to miss half his matches when you don't have to? If he had finished well ahead of the guys ahead of him I could see it but Daieisho has just 1 less win and is 2 ranks above Osunaarashi. Even straight up there's an argument for Daieisho over Osunaarashi. Given Osunaarashi has also missed all of winter jungyo I think he has little chance of being promoted. They'll leave him in Juryo where he'll have easier opponents he can heal up against.

[Rocks]

I think I've cracked the code. They simply feed this into a punched card reader and whatever it spits out is the next banzuke

Makuuchi Banzuke

Result	East	Hoshitori	Rank	West	Hoshitori	Result
11-4	Harumafuji		Y	Kakuryu		14-1 Y
11-4	Hakuho		Y
9-6	Goeido		O	Kisenosato		12-3 J
5-10	Kotoshogiku		O	Terunofuji		8-7
7-8	Takayasu		S	Okinoumi		5-10
6-9	Mitakeumi		K	Tamawashi		10-5 G
6-9	Tochiozan		M1	Aoiyama		4-11
3-12	Kaisei		M2	Yoshikaze		6-9
7-8	Endo		M3	Shodai		11-4 K
6-9	Kotoyuki		M4	Chiyonokuni		5-10
8-7	Shohozan		M5	Takarafuji		9-6
4-11	Nishikigi		M6	Tochinoshin		10-5
9-6	Takekaze		M7	Takanoiwa		6-9
3-12	Sadanoumi		M8	Ikioi		10-5
8-7	Myogiryu		M9	Kagayaki		6-9
9-6	Chiyoshoma		M10	Arawashi		11-4
3-12	Kyokushuho		M11	Hokutofuji		9-6
7-8	Daishomaru		M12	Chiyootori		6-9
4-11	Hidenoumi		M13	Ichinojo		7-8
9-6	Sokokurai		M14	Chiyotairyu		7-8
10-5 K	Ishiura		M15	Toyohibiki		6-9
8-7	Gagamaru		M16

 

 

[Nantonoyama]

18 hours ago, Rocks said:

It isn't supposed to but will I think. Why promote a guy likely to miss half his matches when you don't have to? If he had finished well ahead of the guys ahead of him I could see it but Daieisho has just 1 less win and is 2 ranks above Osunaarashi. Even straight up there's an argument for Daieisho over Osunaarashi. Given Osunaarashi has also missed all of winter jungyo I think he has little chance of being promoted. They'll leave him in Juryo where he'll have easier opponents he can heal up against.

If Osunaarashi goes kyujo 0-0-15 in january, the fact that he is ranked M16e or J1e will matter. In M16e he will end up in lower Juryo in march, whereas in J1e he *could* end up in makushita. That is why it is not possible to rely only on the fact that "there will be a makuuchi rikishi that goes kyujo, and therefore less makuuchi matches to broadcast".

For the ranks yeah, but one has to remember that 8 wins is only .5 above the par (7.5) whist 9 wins is 1.5 above par.

And the anouncement of "official" kyujo rikishi for the jungyo is done after the establishment of the banzuke, which is done in the week after the tournament has ended

So in the end I think that Osunaarashi will be promoted, but I agree on the fact that Daieisho has a chance to be promoted too (lets says it is 60/40%), and if that occurs it would not be scandalous

[Asashosakari]

So, how did everyone solve the maegashira-joi ranks? No matter which way one goes, some rikishi will have to be somewhat out of place. My attempt:

Takarafuji (M5w 9-6)    M1   Arawashi (M10w 11-4)
Ikioi (M8w 10-5)        M2   Mitakeumi (Ke 6-9)
Takekaze (M7e 9-6)      M3   Shohozan (M5e 8-7)
Okinoumi (Sw 5-10)      M4   Endo (M3e 7-8)
Tochiozan (M1e 6-9)     M5   Yoshikaze (M2w 6-9)

Takarafuji's fairly clear (unless Tochinoshin got Tochinoshinned, I guess), and Yoshikaze should be correct as well, but with the rest I don't feel comfortable at all. Alternative ideas that made it into your GTB entries?

Edit: Ah, one more question - how high did you promote Chiyoo? Only M15w for me... (And because it's already being discussed: I went with Osunaarashi over Daieisho.)

Edited December 21, 2016 by Asashosakari

[Asojima]

36 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Edit: Ah, one more question - how high did you promote Chiyoo? Only M15w for me... (And because it's already being discussed: I went with Osunaarashi over Daieisho.)

I said the hell with it, overpromoted Chiyoo to 12e and underdemoted Kyokushuho to 16e.  That is why I am always ranked near the bottom in GTB.

[Rocks]

Yes, this was my first time but the top of maegashira seemed particularly tough.

Mine:

Takarafuji  M1   Shohozan

Mitakeumi  M2   Okinoumi

Ikioi            M3   Takekaze

Tochiozan  M4   Arawashi

Endo          M5   Yoshikaze

 

I have Chiyoo at M13w. 

Oh, and I have Daiesho  over Osunaarashi.

 

Edited December 21, 2016 by Rocks

[Nantonoyama]

Takarafuji (M5w 9-6)    M1   Mitakeumi (Ke 6-9)
Ikioi (M8w 10-5)        M2   Arawashi (M10w 11-4)
Shohozan (M5e 8-7)      M3   Takekaze (M7e 9-6)
Endo (M3e 7-8)          M4   Tochiozan (M1e 6-9)
Okinoumi (Sw 5-10)      M5   Yoshikaze (M2w 6-9)

YThis is my guess for the top5 makuuchi. Aside from Takarafuji and Yoshikaze, I am not very confident with this.

In my banzuke, Chiyoo comes in M15e spot, it is already quite an interesting overpromotion for him...

[Akinomaki]

On 20.12.2016 at 19:34, Nantonoyama said:

The fact that he finished kyujo is not supposed to change anything in the making of the banzuke. Of the fights he did, he was 9-3, which is really impressive... why would it worth less than a 9-6?

It is worth 3 fights less - a 9-6 has done them and should get treated better.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Akinomaki

[chishafuwaku]

Takarafuji	M1	Mitakeumi
Ikioi	M2	Arawashi
Tochiozan	M3	Okinoumi
Endo	M4	Shohozan
Takekaze	M5	Yoshikaze

 

Sadanoumi	M15	Chiyoo
Osunaarashi	M16

 

chishafuwaku

 

[Ryoshishokunin]

1	Takarafuji	Ikioi
2	Mitakeumi	Arawashi
3	Tochiozan	Shohozan
4	Endo	Takekaze
5	Okinoumi	Chiyoshoma

Not at all happy with the above.  Everyone wants to be at M4..

15	Chiyotairyu	Chiyoo
16	Osunaarashi

..which also answers the question of where i put Chiyoo.  I don't envy the torikumi makers the Chiyonomess that is the bottom of the Maegashira ranks.

 

[Andonishiki]

took one night and another morning to finally produce this....

Takarafuji  M1  Arawashi

Ikioi          M2   Mitakeumi

Takekaze  M3   Okinoumi

Shohozan  M4  Tochiozan

Endo         M5  Yoshikaze

 

M13w Chiyoo... probably too high

 

Chiyotairyu  M15 Osunaarashi

Sadanoumi  M16

 

Daieisho J1  Ura

 

hoping for 60 points (35 /25 bullseye /10 hits)

 

[kuroimori]

Takarafuji   M1   Arawashi 

Ikioi   M2  Mitakeumi 

Shohozan   M3   Tochiozan 

Endo   M4   Okinoumi 

Take K   M5   Yoshi K

Chiyoo at M13w

[Rocks]

7 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

..which also answers the question of where i put Chiyoo.  I don't envy the torikumi makers the Chiyonomess that is the bottom of the Maegashira ranks.

Yeah, this is getting crazy. There will be 5 from Kokonoe-beya in makuuchi in January and Chiyomaru is waiting in the wings. That's a lot of bouts to schedule so they don't meet.

[rhyen]

Well, they probably had a dry run last year with 4 isegahama rikishi in the joi-jin.

[Jakusotsu]

FWIW:

Takarafuji (M5w 9-6) 1	Mitakeumi (K1e 6-9)
Arawashi (M10w 11-4) 2	Ikioi (M8w 10-5)
Takekaze (M7e 9-6)   3	Shohozan (M5e 8-7)
Okinoumi (S1w 5-10)  4	Tochiozan (M1e 6-9)
Endo (M3e 7-8)       5	Yoshikaze (M2w 6-9)

 

[Ryoshishokunin]

...I just discovered a typo in my spreadsheet for GTB, which explains why everyone else has Yoshikaze ranked higher than I do.  *sigh*.  4 wins and 6 wins are not the same.

[Pandaazuma]

Maegashira E: Takarafuji M5w (9-6)

  Maegashira W: Arawashi M10w (11-4)

 Maegashira E2: Mitakeumi K1e (6-9)

 Maegashira W2: Ikioi M8w (10-5)

 Maegashira E3: Takekaze M7e (9-6)

 Maegashira W3: Okinoumi S1w (5-10)

 Maegashira E4: Shohozan M5e (8-7)

 Maegashira W4: Tochiozan M1e (6-9)

 Maegashira E5: Endo M3e (7-8)

 Maegashira W5: Yoshikaze M2w (6-9)

 

I don't like the Endo-Tochiozan thing! :(

 

I put Chiyoo at M14W.  And I went with Daieisho as they definitely have it in for Osuna and anything close is likely to go against him.  Unless, of course, they've decided he is out of the dog house.

[Ganzohnesushi]

Maegashira E: Takarafuji M5w (9-6)
Maegashira W: Arawashi M10w (11-4)
Maegashira E2: Ikioi M8w (10-5)
Maegashira W2: Takekaze M7e (9-6)
Maegashira E3: Mitakeumi K1e (6-9)
Maegashira W3: Okinoumi S1w (5-10)
Maegashira E4: Shohozan M5e (8-7)
Maegashira W4: Tochiozan M1e (6-9)
Maegashira E5: Endo M3e (7-8)
Maegashira W5: Yoshikaze M2w (6-9)

Seems I'm the only one who demoted Mitakeumi all the way down to M3e. I put Chiyoo at M13w and of course I promoted Osunaarashi.

Ganzohnesushi

[Gurowake]

Maegashira E: Takarafuji M5w (9-6)
  Maegashira W: Mitakeumi K1e (6-9)
 Maegashira E2: Okinoumi S1w (5-10)
 Maegashira W2: Arawashi M10w (11-4)
 Maegashira E3: Ikioi M8w (10-5)
 Maegashira W3: Tochiozan M1e (6-9)
 Maegashira E4: Endo M3e (7-8)
 Maegashira W4: Shohozan M5e (8-7)
 Maegashira E5: Takekaze M7e (9-6)
 Maegashira W5: Yoshikaze M2w (6-9)

I have my methods.  I doubt I'm at all right though.

Chiyooooo at M13w.  Daieisho gets the very last spot.

[Suwihuto]

Takarafuji	M1	Ikioi
Arawashi	M2	Mitakeumi
Shohozan	M3	Takekaze
Tochiozan	M4	Endo
Okinoumi	M5	Yoshikaze

Chiyoo at M13w like a few others, Osuna at M15w.

[Sakura]

This is only my second try and I know this looks absurd. I'm still learning the rules of promotion/demotion and it will take me a few basho to get the general idea.

Takarafuji	M1	Shohozan
Mitakeumi	M2	Ikioi
Tochiozan	M3	Okinoumi
Endo	M4	Yoshikaze
Arawashi	M5	Takekaze

 

Anyway Chiyoo at M13w and no Osu.

[Feginowaka]

12 points @ M1-M5

... and 0 points @M16 (Daieisho instead of Osuna)

...but overall is ok: 62

[Sakura]

No time to calculate my score, but it won't be good. The frustrating thing is that is was half a rank off in so many cases, still netting me 0 points for all of them.

[Rocks]

Really disappointing. I think I got a 33. I would have taken anything over 40 and have been glad. I was 1 rank too high or low all over the place.

[Ganzohnesushi]

Annihilating. Only 40 points is really dreadful

Ganzohnesushi