Basho Talk - Kyushu Basho 2016 ** (SPOILERS)

[robnplunder]

(Sarcasm mode on) Was Goeido's call a make up call?   Cover the early error (Shodai/Tochinoshin) with another?   (Sarcasm mode off)

Meanwhile, Ishiura keeps on winning, defying the odd.  Today, he goes against Hokutofuji and I don't see Ishiura beating him.  

Ura should do well studying Ishiura's style, technique, wins, whatever.   Ura's flexibility with a bit of Ishiura's magic will go far.

Edited November 20, 2016 by robnplunder

[Katooshu]

How do a group of reasonable people watch the Tochinoshin match in slow-mo, and then decide that he didn't win? Terrible call.........

The juryo yusho race is pretty interesting, with Osu, Seiro, and relative up-and-comers Ura, Sato, and Oyanagi looking strong. Oyanagi has impressed me a lot so far, with good speed for a 170kg rikishi, powerful thrusting, and respectable yotsu skills that make him more than a one-dimensional oshi guy.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Katooshu

[kuroimori]

Another way for the Kyokai to prove that they give Tochi no 心. 

[robnplunder]

It was Go away do on day 8.

[Kuroyama]

1 hour ago, Asojima said:

It is clear that it is ON the bales, but also not (yet) touching the sand.

Edit:  Check Kinta's video at 12:16. A great closeup of the tarawa showing that the sand is undisturbed.

 

I thought it a little odd that the shimpan didn't even seem to inspect the sand during the mono-ii.

[Rocks]

The hardest part of every Basho...waiting for the Promotion/Demotion thread.

[Bumpkin]

14 minutes ago, Rocks said:

The hardest part of every Basho...waiting for the Promotion/Demotion thread.

Asashosakari usually waits until after Day 10 to post.  I can't wait.

[robnplunder]

8 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Asashosakari usually waits until after Day 10 to post.  I can't wait.

Can't wait, either, but it's already shaping up.  E.g, Rikishin has already locked up his promotion to Juryo.   

[Dapeng]

2 hours ago, Asojima said:

It is clear that it is ON the bales, but also not (yet) touching the sand.

Edit:  Check Kinta's video at 12:16. A great closeup of the tarawa showing that the sand is undisturbed.

 

Not only his heel, his entire body was also out of the ring. Probably the "dead body" rule was also applied. If the outside part of the tarawa is considered "inside " of the ring, his heel was the only part of his body remained inside. 

[Dapeng]

2 hours ago, dingo said:

One would presume that the kyokai would have a lot of influence on the shinpan though.

From these photos it's far from clear. The tawara is raised so if you step on it the heel is not necessarily touching the sand outside the dohyo. It might be a question of millimeters, and the angle on the photos is not good enough to give conclusive evidence. 

I think it's OK for the foot to be on the top of the tarawa. The problem was that his foot was on the outside part of the tarawa. In addition his entire body was outside at that moment.

As to Goeindou's promotion, I don't think  the kyokai is one whole piece of iron plate. 

[Senkoho]

@Dapeng just a slight correction - it's "tawara" and not "tarawa" 

[Kishinoyama]

6 hours ago, Dapeng said:

The shinpan is not the kyokai......

That does not matter to a conspiracy theorist. They can always find a way to twist things into a conspiracy.  

[robnplunder]

I am surprised that there was no monoii on Ura vs Onosho.   Ura won but the slow motion video shows it was extremely close.   Onosho was keep looking at shimpan to see if there was monoii.   

Ura looks like he injured his wrist.   This may be it for Ura for this basho if he was injured.

Edited November 21, 2016 by robnplunder

[Asojima]

29 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

 

Ura looks like he injured his wrist.   This may be it for Ura for this basho if he was injured.

He has been rubbing his wrist after every match this basho. 

[Sakura]

Why would they not put Terunofuji against Tamawashi today? Now it seems as though he'll miss out on either Tamawashi or Takayasu.

[Gernobono]

3 minutes ago, Sakura said:

Why would they not put Terunofuji against Tamawashi today? Now it seems as though he'll miss out on either Tamawashi or Takayasu.

6 days left after today and teru has 2 yok, 2 ozeki, takayasu and tamawashi left...

starting with kakuryu on day 10

on the other hand, i might have missed some heya-infliction, but kisenosato might not be up against yoshikaze 

[nadnadnad]

Can I just mention our two green mawashi-ers in Makuuchi though.. 

Yoshikaze looks (to me) so dispirited for some reasons. 

And Kaisei... well. Hm. Did he leave his soul at the heya or something -.-

[Senkoho]

Hasn't Hokutofuji ever seen an Ishiura bout before?

[robnplunder]

Ishiura, I love you, man.  Wow, he just bulldozed Hokutofuji, a much larger rikishi.   Ishiura is not just winning.  He's dominating the lower ranks.

Edited November 21, 2016 by robnplunder

[Chiyozakura]

18 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Not quite: Tomozuna said in the explanation that Goeido's BODY dropped down first - looks more like he didn't know who was who.

The gyoji gave it to Goeido, the NHK repeat looks like Goeido's heel staid in just till Okinoumi's elbow touched down.

The pics might show if the biggest shimpan miss of the century 4 years ago (also with Goeido) will be replaced with this one.

But that does not make any sense. Goeido's body did not drop at all so if a body dropped first it must have been Okinoumi's. The bout went like this:

1. Okinoumi pushes Goeido to the edge. 2. Goeido tries to stay in with his foot on the tawara and his heel very close to the area outside the ring. If it touches outside now he has lost. 3. Goeido counters with a throw which forces Okinoumi down before Goeido takes the step outside.If his heel has not touched before Okinoumi fell he has won, if it touched he has lost. So there is no reason for a torinaoshi. My take is that Tomozuna simply messed up the explanation. Hopefully he told the wrong reason and not the wrong winner.

The fact that Goeido's back was over the tawara does not matter. With kimarite like utachi this is pretty much always the case. He was still in the position to counter Okinoumi's attack and thus was in the match as long as his heel was in.

[robnplunder]

1 minute ago, Senkoho said:

Hasn't Hokutofuji ever seen an Ishiura bout before?

He already lost once to Ishiura.  He's now 0-2 against Ishiura.

Edited November 21, 2016 by robnplunder

[Chiyozakura]

5 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

That does not matter to a conspiracy theorist. They can always find a way to twist things into a conspiracy.  

I would say it is the other way round. The NSK can be responsible for everything but never be caught because whoever does something, be it the shimpan, the gyoji, the riji, the rijicho or whoever, are always just persons acting on the NSK's behalf but never the NSK itself. It is the perfect base for conspiracy theories. Even when it is pretty much proven that not everything is done to make Goeido the next Japanese Yokozuna it is not the NSK but only the shimpan and Okinoumi, who by the way is a deshi of the Rijicho. The NSK might still have the plan but has just forgotten to tell it to its most important members.

[robnplunder]

1 hour ago, Asojima said:

He has been rubbing his wrist after every match this basho. 

Is Ura still nursing an injury?  If so, his honbasho record so far is impressive.   

 

If someone said that before the start of K-basho, Ishiura will be one of the 1st to get Kachi-koshi among all Makuuchi rikishi, I'd not believe it. 

Edited November 21, 2016 by robnplunder

[Benihana]

*BAM* That's for stealing all my kensho! (Kisenosato to Goeido)

Edit:

Hakuho may have won, but where the heck is his mojo? Did Goeido hand it over to Kakuryu?

Edited November 21, 2016 by Benihana

[robnplunder]

On day 9, there was no big upset in Makuuchi division - none, nil, zero.  Disappointing.

 

Concerning Ura, after watching it again, two things are clear to me.

1. He actually lost.  Monoii should have been called and video replay should have given it to Onosho.
2. Ura's left hand/wrist is clearly injured.  After tachi-hai, Ura didn't even come close to using the left hand.   

Edited November 21, 2016 by robnplunder