Basho Talk - Aki Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[SumpaX]

1 hour ago, Jyuunomori said:

I wonder if they are going to start ''pressuring'' Kakuryuu soon? I mean he looks like a struggling Ozeki most of the time, not a Yokozuna.

I honestly thought they allready are pressuring him, but i sadly cant read japanese so I dont know whats happening there. If he finishes with a double digit win, I could imagine that they wont stress him that much about it... but his hard bouts are mostly ahead of him.

[kuroimori]

27 minutes ago, SumpaX said:

I honestly thought they allready are pressuring him, but i sadly cant read japanese so I dont know whats happening there. If he finishes with a double digit win, I could imagine that they wont stress him that much about it... but his hard bouts are mostly ahead of him.

Smells like kyujo in the coming days to me...

[WAKATAKE]

Aminishiki at 4-3? I would never have imagined, and I've definitely been proven wrong by what the wily veteran has in store.

I was listening to NHK radio today, and the match between Amakaze and Kotoyuki marked the first time since the Meiji era that two wrestlers from Kagawa Prefecture had faced each other, but the first time ever that two wrestlers from said prefecture have competed against each other in Makuuchi.

It would be hilarious to see Goeido win the yusho and Kise once again missing on the opportunity. Everybody but him seems to be winning the yusho these days.

[Kishinoyama]

If someone had told me that after 7 days Goeido would be leading the tournament and undefeated, I would have told them that they were crazy. That being said, I am kind of hoping he will win the whole thing. Ever since he got promoted to Ozeki he has been taking a beating by forum members here (myself included). Him winning the tournament would be almost as big of a surprise as someone like Okinoumi winning the tournament

Edited September 17, 2016 by Kishinoyama

[WAKATAKE]

4 minutes ago, Kishinoyama said:

If someone had told me that after 7 days Goeido would be leading the tournament and undefeated, I would have told them that they were crazy. That being said, I am kind of hoping he will win the whole thing. Ever since he got promoted to Ozeki he has been taking a beating by forum members here (myself included). Him winning the tournament would be almost as big of a surprise as someone like Okinoumi winning the tournament

I'm pretty sure we were all thinking the same thing about Kotoshogiku at the beginning of the year too.

[Harry]

14 minutes ago, Kishinoyama said:

If someone had told me that after 7 days Goeido would be leading the tournament and undefeated, I would have told them that they were crazy. That being said, I am kind of hoping he will win the whole thing. Ever since he got promoted he has been taking a beating by forum members here (myself included). Him winning the tournament would be almost as big of a surprise as someone like Okinoumi winning the tournament

While he is much maligned around here today, Goeido was once the next big thing, next best chance at a Japanese Yokozuna when he was up and coming (unless my memory is warping that). That hype train went off the rails years ago but a yusho could even put it back on the track. 

If he can keep doing sumo like he's been doing I think he could even win it or at least meet Harumafuji in a kettei sen. While he hasn't met the highest ranked opponents yet he just looks really really fierce right now. The prospect of losing his rank has lit a fire under him and if he can somehow hold onto this feeling in this basho and beyond then he could well turn things around from being a lackluster ozeki to one who will be remembered. We'll have to see if he loses that edge once he gets his KK and is no longer in danger and moreso next basho when he is safe from immediate demotion. I would love it if he could hold onto it as it makes for much more excitement with a bunch of potential spoilers in the mix for the yusho.

Edited September 17, 2016 by Harry

[SumpaX]

Just now, WAKATAKE said:

I'm pretty sure we were all thinking the same thing about Kotoshogiku at the beginning of the year too.

Well, personally speaking the thing about  Kotoshogiku's Yusho was much more shocking than a possible yusho win from both Goeido or  Okinoumi.. Goeido marks 2 years as an ozeki now, and through his sumo careers he had several 12-3 bashos, which could win one a yusho as we know. And Okinoumi is like underrated, some examples, Harumafuji lost against him in his last 4 bashos, and I looked up Kakuryu's Yokozuna run today, wich were 2 14-1 basho's and you'd think hakuho is that one loss... but no, both times it was Okinoumi.  

[Asashosakari]

34 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

I was listening to NHK radio today, and the match between Amakaze and Kotoyuki marked the first time since the Meiji era that two wrestlers from Kagawa Prefecture had faced each other, but the first time ever that two wrestlers from said prefecture have competed against each other in Makuuchi.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say in the first part of that sentence...

[WAKATAKE]

7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say in the first part of that sentence...

Wrestlers from Kagawa prefecture had faced each other in the Meiji era but not in the Makuuchi.

[Asashosakari]

4 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Wrestlers from Kagawa prefecture had faced each other in the Meiji era but not in the Makuuchi.

I still don't understand. Are you saying they claimed there hadn't been an all-Kagawa matchup in any division after Meiji?

[WAKATAKE]

1 minute ago, Asashosakari said:

I still don't understand. Are you saying they claimed there hadn't been an all-Kagawa matchup in any division after Meiji?

Yes. 

[Atenzan]

Just now, Asashosakari said:

I still don't understand. Are you saying they claimed there hadn't been an all-Kagawa matchup in any division after Meiji?

I think he means that there had been instance(s) of (an) all-Kagawa matchup(s) in lower divisions, but no all-Kagawa makuuchi bouts, since the start of Meiji.

Edited September 17, 2016 by McBugger

[Asashosakari]

 

1 minute ago, McBugger said:

I think he means that there had been instance(s) of (an) all-Kagawa matchup(s) in lower divisions, but not all-Kagawa makuuchi bouts, since the start of Meiji.

That's presumably what the radio guys meant, but it's clearly not what Wakatake is saying...

 

2 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Yes. 

Well, there's the inconvenient fact that the head-to-head record between Kotoyuki and Amakaze now stands at 4-0 after their makuuchi meeting.

[WAKATAKE]

2 minutes ago, McBugger said:

I think he means that there had been instance(s) of (an) all-Kagawa matchup(s) in lower divisions, but no all-Kagawa makuuchi bouts, since the start of Meiji.

The way they said was: 明治以降初めての対戦、そして幕内では史上初めての対戦

[WAKATAKE]

1 minute ago, Asashosakari said:

 

That's presumably what the radio guys meant, but it's clearly not what Wakatake is saying...

 

Well, there's the inconvenient fact that the head-to-head record between Kotoyuki and Amakaze now stands at 4-0 after their makuuchi meeting.

Obviously I missed something. The first ever All-Kagawa Makuuchi meeting still should make sense.

[shimodahito]

Does NHK Radio do live play-by-play, or simulcast the NHK TV during the matches?  If so, is there a web stream available?  I could listen to the calls whenever the video stream sources fail.

FYI, you can here live radio play-by-play of the matches in Mongolia (in Mongolian of course)-- but no web stream available.  Most of the taxi drivers are tuned in while they pick up their fares.

[ALAKTORN]

Harumafuji’s balance was a thing of beauty during that throw today.

Kakuryū loss again. :(

Gōeidō finally realizing his potential? Most likely just a lucky basho…

[Katooshu]

I wonder if Daiki will make the top division before Ura.....

Looks like former maegashira Yamaguchi has a great shot of a return to the paid ranks after dropping all the way down to sandamne. Moved to 4-0 with a win over former juryo Ryuden and has got a nice KK streak going. He also finished 7-0 D last tournament, so he seems to have gotten over whatever was troubling him. I like to see persistence pay off...

Did Gaga give Ikioi a little shove after the bout? And then hardly bowed? I remember that he cried after losing to Ikioi a few tournaments ago....he seems to take losses to him hard.

Edited September 17, 2016 by Katooshu

[kuroimori]

2 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Obviously I missed something. The first ever All-Kagawa Makuuchi meeting still should make sense.

The NHK guys usually refer to Makuuchi or Juryo stats only - guess they haven't heard about Doitsu's magnificient Database...

I also heard them say that it is the first time that 2 rikishi from Kagawa Pref. meet on the dohyo - which surprised me somewhat and so I waited that they would add something like "since..." or "..in Makuuchi division" but they didn't...

[kuroimori]

Talking about NHK commentary stats, they also mentioned Okinoumi had the chance to become the first Maegashira rikishi ever to defeat all Yokozuna and Ozeki - well, it turned out to be the biggest jinx you could think of... (but my virtual SumoGaming money was with Goeido anyway...)

[Akinomaki]

In jonokuchi an intolerable action happened on day 3: Shikide's eternal loser Hattorizakura (180cm, 64.4kg), who managed to get his first and only win so far in one year of sumo at the Natsu basho, against Kokonoe's arm-wrestler Kinjo. Hattorizakura, who was afraid of his opponent, 3 times tried to lose on purpose, but each time was made to redo the bout. Shikihide: "After 1 year his neck hurts. He crumbled before his opponent."  The oyakata was cautioned and told to properly guide his pupil. "We'll look at it and may think about kyujo - if he's not fit, it's an insult to the opponent." http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2016/09/16/kiji/K20160916013362390.html

This apparently is how the Softbank stream looks filmed off a tablet

especially the 3 other videos from that stream on the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX-Gm2ZXxd4sVBzfNL6cEuA/videos

makushita has also commentators

Edited September 17, 2016 by Akinomaki

[Katooshu]

He did something similar in MZ (2:46)

 

[MrGrumpyGills]

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry - what on earth is Hattorizakura trying to do??

[Rocks]

I think it's just stage fright.

[Akinomaki]

18 minutes ago, MrGrumpyGills said:

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry - what on earth is Hattorizakura trying to do??

trying to lose painlessly

2 minutes ago, Rocks said:

I think it's just stage fright.

it's fright of the opponents, not the stage

Edited September 17, 2016 by Akinomaki