Questions For Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

Your favourite era/year for ozumo and why.

I saw through the Taihou-Kashiwado era growing up, and then jumped to the Hanada Bros-Akebono era, and now it's the Asa/Hakuhou era. Each era has its importance- I truly can't compare. Hanada-Akebono was great because of the tough competition, T/K was great because I was young and excitable then, and this era is great because Asa and Hak are/were so much fun to watch. So many records shattered.

I also did call Asa's Yokozuna-ness very publicly on the SML after watching him train as a Makushita rikishi, and even asked his oyakata for special permission to have our picture taken back in 2000. You don't usually ask a Makushita guy for a picture..

Edited August 4, 2016 by Kintamayama

[Sumozumo]

A lot of people pay a lot of lip service to the kyoukai but what is one of the things that really grinds your gears about how they (the kyokai) act?

Edited August 4, 2016 by Sumozumo

[kuroimori]

Another question : what other terms have you coined and haven't yet stick? We'll make sure it does :)

Oshiwashi, slippiotoshi, Yokozunae, Johnny Dunne (fifth division), 9-Joe, and others I forgot along the way and probably rightly so..

Not to forget the omnipresent lawyer Ben Goshi!

[Kintamayama]

A lot of people pay a lot of lip service to the kyoukai but what is one of the things that really grinds your gears about how they (the kyokai) act?

The total lack of awareness of the foreign fan vis-a-vis live streaming. What irks me is they used to do it for many years-it was free and easy and lousy quality (it was fondly called the fuzzy-wuzzy back then) but no one complained. They are making a big mistake in this regard. I would really like to understand the careful thought behind this attitude. Other than that, it's their sport and they can decide anything they please. I don't dare question that.

[d_golem]

Another question : what other terms have you coined and haven't yet stick? We'll make sure it does :)

Oshiwashi, slippiotoshi, Yokozunae, Johnny Dunne (fifth division), 9-Joe, and others I forgot along the way and probably rightly so..

Is there an official kimarite for slippiotoshi? And what is 9-Joe?

[Kintamayama]

Another question : what other terms have you coined and haven't yet stick? We'll make sure it does :)

Oshiwashi, slippiotoshi, Yokozunae, Johnny Dunne (fifth division), 9-Joe, and others I forgot along the way and probably rightly so..

Not to forget the omnipresent lawyer Ben Goshi!

I knew I forgot someone..

[Kintamayama]

Is there an official kimarite for slippiotoshi? And what is 9-Joe?

9 is kyuu in Japanese so 9-joe would be kyujo, as in missing the tournament. That's how missing rikishi were denoted on my historical old "Sumo site for sore eyes", as it was called back then. As for slippiotoshi, it's when a guy gets a win by the other guy slipping, usually on the slippery Nagoya dohyo. It will usually be called a hikiotoshi, or a hickey-otoshi, if it starts with the neck, although Takarafuji is exempt.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Kintamayama

[RabidJohn]

Another question : what other terms have you coined and haven't yet stick? We'll make sure it does :)

Oshiwashi, slippiotoshi, Yokozunae, Johnny Dunne (fifth division), 9-Joe, and others I forgot along the way and probably rightly so..

The reason the others didn't stick is probably to do with the fact that their humourousness outweighs their usefulness, except Yokozunae, which is just unnecessary. Everyone should know that yokozuna is the plural of yokozuna.

It's like the English 'a glass of beer' is the plural of 'a glass of beer', as in "I'm just popping out for a glass of beer." It's never just one, is it? :-D

Do you realise you missed a golden opportunity for a groundbreaking 'oshi-tawashi' in Nagoya (Day 14, Tamawashi vs Daieisho)? ;-)

Edited August 4, 2016 by RabidJohn

[orandashoho]

I love "slippiotoshi". Could as easily be "slippakikomi" though.

"oshiwashi" (Tamawashi/Arawashi push out) comes to mind as well.

[kuroimori]

if Yoshikaze fights against Tamawashi the kimarite is most likely

yoshidashi or oshiwashi...

[Kintamayama]

I love "slippiotoshi". Could as easily be "slippakikomi" though.

"oshiwashi" (Tamawashi/Arawashi push out) comes to mind as well.

Oshiwashi is always the kimarite in any Tamawashi win. It's slippiotoshi since usually the formal kimarite is hikiotoshi. Slippikikomi sounds too much like a famous soy-sauce brand, man..

[Kintamayama]

The reason the others didn't stick is probably to do with the fact that their humourousness outweighs their usefulness, except Yokozunae, which is just unnecessary. Everyone should know that yokozuna is the plural of yokozuna.

It's like the English 'a glass of beer' is the plural of 'a glass of beer', as in "I'm just popping out for a glass of beer." It's never just one, is it? :-D

Do you realise you missed a golden opportunity for a groundbreaking 'oshi-tawashi' in Nagoya (Day 14, Tamawashi vs Daieisho)? ;-)

I humbly disagree. There is a real need to pluralize in English. When I say "the Yokozuna" and I mean all three of them, no English speaking fan will get it. I have to write "All three Yokozuna" which is a gross waste of bandwidth. There is no doubt in my fading mind that if I write "the Yokozunae", every single English-speaking sumo fan will immediately get it. I always have the same problem when writing Oyakata but I just write Oyakatas, which is totally wrong but totally right at the same time.

As for missed golden opportunities, my whole life is one big missed golden opportunity, as hinted by my shikona.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Kintamayama

[RabidJohn]

Most of the time 'the yokozuna' isn't going to appear in isolation. It's going to be part of a sentence, so I know from the way the verb is conjugated whether it's singular or plural (e.g. 'the yokozuna has' = singular, 'the yokozuna have' = plural).

TBH, though, I'm easy as long as I can understand what you mean, which I always can - and the comment was mainly something to hang the glass of beer gag on...

Edited August 4, 2016 by RabidJohn

[Asashosakari]

Most of the time 'the yokozuna' isn't going to appear in isolation. It's going to be part of a sentence, so I know from the way the verb is conjugated whether it's singular or plural (e.g. the yokozuna has = singular vs the yokozuna have = plural).

There are plenty of non-native speakers to whom a plural -s is a much clearer indication than is/are or has/have. Not to mention frequent constructions such as "will [verb]" where it's just impossible.

[Kintamayama]

Most of the time 'the yokozuna' isn't going to appear in isolation. It's going to be part of a sentence, so I know from the way the verb is conjugated whether it's singular or plural (e.g. 'the yokozuna has' = singular, 'the yokozuna have' = plural).

TBH, though, I'm easy as long as I can understand what you mean, which I always can - and the comment was mainly something to hang the glass of beer gag on...

Sure, of course I get that this is just light banter. "The Yokozuna went to a party.". "The Yokozuna did a dohyo-iri at Meiji Shrine." In the past tense, your theory is shot, sir..

I know-you just have to start with "All three Yokozuna" but then where's the banter?

[Katooshu]

Are there particular rikishi who you've found yourself continually rooting against? Perhaps due to poor hinkaku, a sumo style that you don't enjoy, etc.?

Edited August 4, 2016 by Katooshu

[Kintamayama]

Are there particular rikishi who you've found yourself continually rooting against? Perhaps due to poor hinkaku, a sumo style that you don't enjoy, etc.?

I'm glad to say that I never disliked a single rikishi for more than 24 hours. Sometimes actions of a certain rikishi may piss me off for a while but on the whole, I love them all..OTOH, some of them just float past my interest and seem quite boring to me and at times I forget they exist.. . But rooting against? Other than whoever is facing Ikioi on a given day, not really.

[Fukurou]

The reason the others didn't stick is probably to do with the fact that their humourousness outweighs their usefulness, except Yokozunae, which is just unnecessary. Everyone should know that yokozuna is the plural of yokozuna.

It's like the English 'a glass of beer' is the plural of 'a glass of beer', as in "I'm just popping out for a glass of beer." It's never just one, is it? :-D

I humbly disagree. There is a real need to pluralize in English. When I say "the Yokozuna" and I mean all three of them, no English speaking fan will get it. I have to write "All three Yokozuna" which is a gross waste of bandwidth. There is no doubt in my fading mind that if I write "the Yokozunae", every single English-speaking sumo fan will immediately get it. I always have the same problem when writing Oyakata but I just write Oyakatas, which is totally wrong but totally right at the same time.

Context is all and there's no need for a plural form for Yokozuna in English because of it. There's the beer example - going to drink a beer vs going to drink some beer is singular vs plural. Or the Yokozuna left the room - how many is given by context of what happened before or after (...and he (did whatever) vs (...and they (did whatever)). Or perhaps lead vs lead and read vs read - not singular vs plural, but what the word being used means is entirely contextual.

now leaving Kintamayama's thread

[Seijakuzan]

Aside from this forum, what do you consider the best way(s) for overseas fans that aren't fluent in Japanese to engage the sumo community?

[808morgan]

who in the hell is the old guy with the white and red tophat with the red, white and green jacket? (in the

You must mean gold hat, he usually has a very shiny gold one.

At the danpatsu-shiki of Kyokutenho he didn't wear a hat at all: https://youtu.be/6rg_ynoOGxU?t=8m19s

- he was doing some odd things - but all played along and the crowd loved him.

Olympic oji-san was going around the tamari-seki to important cutters and let them sign a poster of Kyokutenho - I thought he would do something else, but didn't think he'd have a cut.

An unusual applause for a plain cutter made me look inside and he already was stepping down from the dohyo.

There was a lot on TV on him last week as he turned 90 now and Rio is coming, I think he runs 2 hotels.

Wow I never saw that head wrap thing before. He was nice to me and my family, he was with some middle aged men who were helping him when I met him last May. I usually get the box over the hallways in Tokyo. He was just down from us. He gave me Olympic Jiji stickers and everything.

[Kintamayama]

Aside from this forum, what do you consider the best way(s) for overseas fans that aren't fluent in Japanese to engage the sumo community?

I don't see any alternative other than watching bouts and sumo-related documentaries that are on youtube.

The Sumoforum is the best place to get sumo info. Period.

[Bumpkin]

On ‎8‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 15:15, Katooshu said:

Are there particular rikishi who you've found yourself continually rooting against? Perhaps due to poor hinkaku, a sumo style that you don't enjoy, etc.?

Kongo. Does anyone remember him? He retired and became Nishinoseki Oyakata.  As a 12-year old I hated him!  In 1975 he won the yusho. The worst day of my sumo fandom life. He walked around like he owned the place and had a corn cob up his b@#%!  Terunofuji is the closest we have today.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Bumpkin
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[Bumpkin]

What is the correct pronunciation of your shikona? Is it Kin-ta-may-ama, Kin-tama-yama or something else?

[Kintamayama]

5 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

What is the correct pronunciation of your shikona? Is it Kin-ta-may-ama, Kin-tama-yama or something else?

Kin-tama-yama. Tes-ticle-mountain.

[Bumpkin]

On 9/8/2016 at 00:42, Kintamayama said:

Kin-tama-yama. Tes-ticle-mountain.

What? I knew yama meant mountain, I thought kin meant gold as in kinboshi-gold star. Isn't tama a common prefix/suffix as in Tamawashi?

Edited September 10, 2016 by Bumpkin