Nishikido situation; split from kyujo thread

[Masumasumasu]

I'm confused. Isn't Japan a first-world country? :-O

That's why they haven't had a Yokozuna in so long.

[Masumasumasu]

You just can't beat people making sweeping (and possibly hurtful, damaging and even libellous) pronouncements on issues they know precisely nothing about. They're simply the best.

You get hurt too easily. Generalizations exist because they are generally true.

Try to reply without ad hominem.

Libelous? LOL!

[MrGrumpyGills]

Can we please not go there again? Thank you.

[Pandaazuma]

I'm not hurt in the slightest. I am referring to the people connected to this situation that might be offended or hurt by bullshit from people like you and others on this thread.

Generalisations are always false because numerous instances that prove them wrong can be cited.

[hamcornheinz]

Let's invert it and see if its offensive. People from poorer countries are tougher. Is that offensive?

And a generalization is just that: something that is generally true. So that even if there are exceptions, they are exactly that, exceptions.

Edited July 10, 2016 by hamcornheinz

[MrGrumpyGills]

Oh boy. Heated, fruitless debates like this are the main reason why I hesitated so long to join this forum X(

I'm leaving this topic for the time being.

[Pandaazuma]

Grumpy...you're right. Muppetry abounds.

[Masumasumasu]

Grumpy...you're right. Muppetry abounds.

Ad hominem is easier than debate.

Generalizations exist because they are generally true.

The exception proves the rule.

[ALAKTORN]

6. Posted by キャロット 2016年07月03日 23:19

全部知っています。力士を首にするのではなく

親方が辞めるべきです。

ちゃんこ銭も出さない親方なんて親方では

ありません。親方は泥棒です。

This comment from that blog says that the oyakata never gave any money to buy food if I’m understanding that right. Others say the rikishi have been “fired” for unspecified reasons.

7. Posted by キャロット 2016年07月03日 23:21

彩扇、極芯道、本多頑張れ‼︎悪いのは全部親方と行司だ

In this one he says “ganbare” to the rikishi and that the fault lies entirely on the oyakata and the gyōji. Huh.

[Sumozumo]

The previous comments were speculating the rikishi had been fired and wondering why, but then that guy posts.

"I know everything. The rikishi should not be fired, but it is the oyakata who should step down.

Oyakatas who don't provide chanko-nabe aren't oyakatas. This oyakata is a robber."

Read into that what you will, whether he actually knows something or not etc. Maybe we shouldn't have rampant speculation about ijime?

Also despite his user name and my avatar, it's not related to me.

[Kintamayama]

In the meantime Nishikido has relieved himself of his judging duties and will be working as head of the venue entrances, "due to health reasons." "I am OK but I don't want to be a bother to anyone.." said the recovering Oyakata.

[Asashosakari]

If the food stuff is true, maybe it wasn't bullying but rather attempted cannibalism...

[hamcornheinz]

health reasons, no money for food, sounds like a drug problem to anyone else?

[RabidJohn]

I'm not sure where I got it from - Jason's interview with John, maybe - but I was under the impression that Homarenishiki had lost weight, which struck me as somewhat odd for his chosen profession!

Now I read Alaktorn's post...

[ALAKTORN]

health reasons, no money for food, sounds like a drug problem to anyone else?

I thought the “health reasons” was because Homarenishiki threw a guy on top of him in a bout, injuring his leg I think.

Homarenishiki lost a looooot of weight in Japan, and was often sick. Can’t say whether that was because the oyakata wasn’t feeding the rikishi or something else.

[dingo]

Wait so Nishikido oyakata supposedly doesn't have any money, yet he had a wedding ceremony for 1000 guests as posted here? http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=35043&p=303650

I know how japanese weddings work, but I don't think the hosts normally get that much money back from the guests. Something doesn't add up here.

[bettega]

It's very easy to shut up (or at least soft) the comments, the bad press, the trolls, the "I know everything": simply be clear and tell the history/hist side of the history! Otherwise people will try to guess by theirselves, generally with very dark colors.

"the truth will set you free"

[WAKATAKE]

Wait so Nishikido oyakata supposedly doesn't have any money, yet he had a wedding ceremony for 1000 guests as posted here? http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=35043&p=303650

I know how japanese weddings work, but I don't think the hosts normally get that much money back from the guests. Something doesn't add up here.

Japanese weddings cost quite a pretty penny. The venue I used to work at was probably in the range of 30K-60K. The thing about Japanese weddings though is the guests are supposed to bring a mandatory "gift" of 30,000 yen to the newlywed couple. My understanding is that helps pay for the cost to hold the thing, but it's also for other types of Japanese traditions as well. The number 3 makes it an odd number because 2 or 4 means there is the potential to "split" meaning death or divorce down the road. But seeing how the weddings go with these rikishi or oyakata, their weddings are probably costing in the six figure dollar range.

[Benihana]

I'm not sure where I got it from - Jason's interview with John, maybe - but I was under the impression that Homarenishiki had lost weight, which struck me as somewhat odd for his chosen profession!

Now I read Alaktorn's post...

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Weight loss seems not to be uncommon with beginners. The training is harder than any training they had before and they literally have to learn to eat enough.

[kosomo]

I'm not sure where I got it from - Jason's interview with John, maybe - but I was under the impression that Homarenishiki had lost weight, which struck me as somewhat odd for his chosen profession!

Now I read Alaktorn's post...

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Weight loss seems not to be uncommon with beginners. The training is harder than any training they had before and they literally have to learn to eat enough.

not to mention the fact that he's eating dishes he's probably never eaten before

[dingo]

Wait so Nishikido oyakata supposedly doesn't have any money, yet he had a wedding ceremony for 1000 guests as posted here? http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=35043&p=303650

I know how japanese weddings work, but I don't think the hosts normally get that much money back from the guests. Something doesn't add up here.

Japanese weddings cost quite a pretty penny. The venue I used to work at was probably in the range of 30K-60K. The thing about Japanese weddings though is the guests are supposed to bring a mandatory "gift" of 30,000 yen to the newlywed couple. My understanding is that helps pay for the cost to hold the thing, but it's also for other types of Japanese traditions as well. The number 3 makes it an odd number because 2 or 4 means there is the potential to "split" meaning death or divorce down the road. But seeing how the weddings go with these rikishi or oyakata, their weddings are probably costing in the six figure dollar range.

Exactly, plus for fancier weddings the guests get some gifts back also and sometimes it's quite nice stuff. So I don't think Nishikido oyakata would be having such a wedding if he was short on money. Of course you never know, there's been cases where oyakata have gone to suspicious sources to borrow money against their kabu...

[Kintamayama]

not to mention the fact that he's eating dishes he's probably never eaten before

Porcelain or glass?

[kosomo]

not to mention the fact that he's eating dishes he's probably never eaten before

Porcelain or glass?

(Laughing...) (Laughing...) (Laughing...) (Laughing...) (Laughing...) (Laughing...)

[Seijakuzan]

Is the official word still not out? I just saw the official retirement for Homarenishiki a few days ago.

[Akinomaki]

The tabloid Shukan Shincho has an article in the new edition http://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2016/09281700/?all=1

Of course only a short introduction is on the net: rikishi numbers down half, in June the local koenkai top resigned.

A heya related source "revealed": seen as a reason for the collapse of the heya is his new young wife. Since Nishikido  is with her, he rarely appears at the training and also won't eat chanko together with the rikishi anymore. As last result of the "laissez-faire" in the heya, Homarenishiki couldn't endure the "kawaigari" by senior deshi and left for home. 3 named by Homarenishiki were made by the oyakata to go kyujo for Natsu and he cut their hair by 10cm.

Asked directly by the reporter, Nishikido denied all this: "They envy me my young wife."

read the tabloid for more speculation (might appear on the net later)

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2016 by Akinomaki