Basho Talk - Haru Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[hamcornheinz]

Kisenosato vs Hakuho

Goeido vs Harumafuji

[Shibouyama]

Best spirit I've seen from Goeido in a long time tonight, and to his credit, Harumafuji didn't henka him like you know he could have. Great match.

Like to see a little drama. Like to see Hakuho's dominance fading, Like to see the Japanese wrestlers finally stepping up.

[Jakusotsu]

No. 33 wins over three bashos is an automatic Ozeki promotion.

These guys beg to differ:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=4&rowcount=5&sum_wins=33&form1_basho_nr=4&form1_rank=s&form2_rank=k,s

[mikawa]

Uncharted territory for Goeido (as an Ozeki). But the real test is coming up, on day 11

[mikawa]

Sato's so close now, 6-0 at his rank, and with the only other 6-0 Makushita rikishi being Oiwato......

[Doitsuyama]

Yusho at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

Not really, no.

[Tsubame]

Am I the only one, thinking that today Goeido had a falsestart (mata)? His fists never touched the ground... and no call from the officials? I didn't get it.

Of course I know, that they not sooo strikt about really touching the ground with both hands at the tachiai, but this was ridiculous.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Tsubame

[Kaioshoryu]

Looks like another yusho for Hakuho. Sure hope I'm wrong though.

[Tsubame]

Goeido will beat Hakuho and so showing that every japanese ozeki, even the most improbable, can win a yusho. Except the one, from whom everyone once thought that he has the stuff for more then ozekihood. ;-)

[Feginowaka]

Yusho at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

No. 33 wins over three bashos is an automatic Ozeki promotion.

These guys beg to differ:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=4&rowcount=5&sum_wins=33&form1_basho_nr=4&form1_rank=s&form2_rank=k,s

As Jakusotsu pointed out, 33 wins it's only a vague guideline, but not at all "automatic promotion"

Yusho at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

Not really, no.

Yusho in general is no automatic promotion, but ...!

... but in an old book about Sumo (link) it's written, that a 15-0 zensho-Yusho at Sekiwake will be rewarded with direct Ozeki promotion (Bow...)

[orandashoho]

Not just the number is important. The rank of the defeated opponents provides a kind of weighing factor as well, and consistency.

No one wants a heathy Ozeki who cannot hold on to his rank.

[Kintamayama]

No. 33 wins over three bashos is an automatic Ozeki promotion.

These guys beg to differ:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=4&rowcount=5&sum_wins=33&form1_basho_nr=4&form1_rank=s&form2_rank=k,s

Each one had a reason for not being promoted.

1. I'm hungry.

2. At least the first 6 fought under a different criteria.

3. In Baruto's case there were already 5 Ozeki, so I guess they decided to wait.

4. Konishiki- because you don't jump from Komusubi to Ozeki.

5. Miyabiyama-because he was already an Ozeki five years before so they decided to sit on it, and rightfully so, it seems.

The rest - I can only guess that it was because the first rank of the failed run was Maegashira.

You also could have queried all the guys that made it with only 32 wins and proven me wrong.

I guess the word automatic I used (for a reason, but that's beside the point..) was wrong. 33 is the benchmark. The rest is according to the individual situation.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

o at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

No. 33 wins over three bashos is an automatic Ozeki promotion.

These guys beg to differ:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=4&rowcount=5&sum_wins=33&form1_basho_nr=4&form1_rank=s&form2_rank=k,s

As Jakusotsu pointed out, 33 wins it's only a vague guideline, but not at all "automatic promotion"

Yusho at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

Not really, no.

Yusho in general is no automatic promotion, but ...!

... but in an old book about Sumo (link) it's written, that a 15-0 zensho-Yusho at Sekiwake will be rewarded with direct Ozeki promotion (Bow...)

I also have an old book that says you can't be a sumotori if you're bald.

[rzombie1988]

Am I the only one, thinking that today Goeido had a falsestart (mata)? His fists never touched the ground... and no call from the officials? I didn't get it.

Of course I know, that they not sooo strikt about really touching the ground with both hands at the tachiai, but this was ridiculous.

Goeido only touched with one hand.

[rzombie1988]

Some quick thoughts on today:

- Hak was just too fast and really blew Kisenosato out of the water. It's not over though at all. I do think Hak will take a loss between Kakuryu, Harumafuji and Goeid0, whereas I prefer Kise's chances over Goeido, Harumafuji and Terunofuji.

- Yay, we remembered how to beat Kotoshogiku again.

- As I said, Goeido never touched on the tachi-ai and it shouldn't have even gone on.

- Terunofuji's got an uphill battle ahead of him.

- Thought Amuru won today

- Ichinojo was back to being passive today and good job by Ikioi to push him out despite the size differences.

Edited March 23, 2016 by rzombie1988

[Atenzan]

o at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

No. 33 wins over three bashos is an automatic Ozeki promotion.

These guys beg to differ:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=4&rowcount=5&sum_wins=33&form1_basho_nr=4&form1_rank=s&form2_rank=k,s

As Jakusotsu pointed out, 33 wins it's only a vague guideline, but not at all "automatic promotion"

Yusho at Sekiwake is an automatic Ozeki promotion, no?

Not really, no.

Yusho in general is no automatic promotion, but ...!

... but in an old book about Sumo (link) it's written, that a 15-0 zensho-Yusho at Sekiwake will be rewarded with direct Ozeki promotion (Bow...)

I also have an old book that says you can't be a sumotori if you're bald.

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=S&form1_wins=15&form1_m=on

Interesting old book we seem to have on our hands... a Sekiwake zensho is something that has NEVER happened, not once, in the 15-day-basho era. In fact, only two zenshos have been recorded by sekiwake, and one of those didn't earn Shimizugawa (8-0 S1w in Feb 1932) promotion to Ozeki. So the 'old book' is going off one instance, Futabayama's hatsu-yusho (11-0 S1w in May '36) or is plain baseless.

[Asashosakari]

Interesting old book we seem to have on our hands... a Sekiwake zensho is something that has NEVER happened, not once, in the 15-day-basho era. In fact, only two zenshos have been recorded by sekiwake, and one of those didn't earn Shimizugawa (8-0 S1w in Feb 1932) promotion to Ozeki. So the 'old book' is going off one instance, Futabayama's hatsu-yusho (11-0 S1w in May '36) or is plain baseless.

Or the authors drew a false conclusion from some historic case where the guys in charge announced that a certain rikishi would only be promoted to ozeki if he achieved a 15-0, perhaps after a mediocre two-basho start like the 8-7, 10-5 talked about previously.

[Kintamayama]

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- Terunofuji's got an uphill battle ahead of him.

I am willing to put my good name (??) at stake here- Terunofuji wins tomorrow easily. Nobrainer.

[kuroimori]

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- Terunofuji's got an uphill battle ahead of him.

I am willing to put my good name (??) at stake here- Terunofuji wins tomorrow easily. Nobrainer.

I second & third that, because the fourth will be with him.

[Dwale]

That was a powerful tachi-ai from Hakuho today, you knew from the earliest moments whose match it was. Sorry for Kisenosato, but he's still in this thing and needs to keep his head.

Ah, a henka from Terunofuji, that being similar to a henka from an elephant, and about as surprising. Well, he's hurt, so I guess I can't get too mad.

How about Goeido? I know Harumafuji isn't at his best, but that's still Harumafuji in there, who no rikishi can afford to take lightly. I don't think I've ever cheered on a rikishi this warily before.

The biggest surprise for me in all this is Kotoyuki. Now, you can tell me that he's a one-dimensional wrestler and I would find it hard to disagree. But sumo is results-based, so as long as he can keep putting up the numbers, he's golden.

Oh, look, it's Osunaarashi having a too-easy time of juryo still:

Yeah, I don't think he's going back to juryo anytime soon, but rather en route to the upper maegashira ranks and another stab at sanyaku in...I'm gonna guess four tournaments, barring injury.

[Dapeng]

Goeido will beat Hakuho and so showing that every japanese ozeki, even the most improbable, can win a yusho. Except the one, from whom everyone once thought that he has the stuff for more then ozekihood. ;-)

Goeido may have 20% of chance to beat Hakuho tomorrow ......

Even before this basho few believed Geeku would be promoted to Yokozuna, but if Kise wins this basho with 14-1, he has a good chance to be promoted after next basho.

As to promotion, Goeido has no better chance than Geeku ......

[Dapeng]

That was a powerful tachi-ai from Hakuho today, you knew from the earliest moments whose match it was. Sorry for Kisenosato, but he's still in this thing and needs to keep his head.

Ah, a henka from Terunofuji, that being similar to a henka from an elephant, and about as surprising. Well, he's hurt, so I guess I can't get too mad.

How about Goeido? I know Harumafuji isn't at his best, but that's still Harumafuji in there, who no rikishi can afford to take lightly. I don't think I've ever cheered on a rikishi this warily before.

The biggest surprise for me in all this is Kotoyuki. Now, you can tell me that he's a one-dimensional wrestler and I would find it hard to disagree. But sumo is results-based, so as long as he can keep putting up the numbers, he's golden.

Oh, look, it's Osunaarashi having a too-easy time of juryo still:

Yeah, I don't think he's going back to juryo anytime soon, but rather en route to the upper maegashira ranks and another stab at sanyaku in...I'm gonna guess four tournaments, barring injury.

If the Sandstorm finishes with 14-1, he will be in mid maegashira next basho. Next basho he will be completely injury-free and 10 wins may send him to sanyaku.

[ScottyJoyJrBebe]

Quote from Dwale:

The biggest surprise for me in all this is Kotoyuki. Now, you can tell me that he's a one-dimensional wrestler and I would find it hard to disagree. But sumo is results-based, so as long as he can keep putting up the numbers, he's golden.

With a KK in the book, Sanyaku is a foregone conclusion. Sekiwake? I think so. 10 wins? looks like it. Ozeki Run? We shall see B-)

Edited March 23, 2016 by ScottyJoyJrBebe

[Tsubame]

Am I the only one, thinking that today Goeido had a falsestart (mata)? His fists never touched the ground... and no call from the officials? I didn't get it.

Of course I know, that they not sooo strikt about really touching the ground with both hands at the tachiai, but this was ridiculous.

Goeido only touched with one hand.

That was the lowest high of Goeidos fists: Not even close to touching the ground.

[Benevolance]

But he thought really hard about touching the ground and, well, that's good enough for me.