TORCHBEARER 2016: periodic updates, torch match notices, results

[shimodahito]

Good day all,

Thanks to everyone who entered. We are up to 69 players. Thank you! 39 returnee updates, 18 carry-overs, and a big welcome to 11 new players.

The rikishi picks for TORCHBEARER 2016. Homarenishiki had the most picks.

Abi (Ayagawa)
Akiseyama (Ganzohnesushi)
Asahisho (Fatakiyama)
Chiyoo (Cydrome)
Chiyonoumi (McBugger)
Daiki (Gurowake & Sukubidubidu)
Dairaido (Terarno)
Dewahayate (nomadwolf)
Gagamaru (Daughter of Sukubidubidu)
Haguroho (Chisaiyama & Shokikogi)
Hirotsukasa (Wamahada)
Homarenishiki (Achiyama & Kosimazaki(PhorCillic) & Oshirokita & Pitinosato & Saruyama & Yoohoo)
Hokutoryu (teo_heel)
Iida (Taiga)
Inoue (Suwihuto)
Ishii (Lord Chozo)
Iwasaki (orandashoho & Tenshinhan)
Kaonishiki (Hitotsuboshi)
Kiribayama (Itachi & Ryoshishokuni)
Kiyomushashi (Andonishiki)
Kotokamatani (kuroimori & Naganoyama)
Kyokutaisei (Profomisakari)
Masutoo (Konrad)
Mitozakura (Nekonishiki)
Mizuguchi (Taka)
Musashikuni (yorikiried by fate)
Nodagashira (wildcard)
Nakazono (ronnie)
Nogami (Domichi & shimodahito)
Obara (Jason)
Ohara (Shikona)
Ohata (Tsukiko)
Oisato (Tsubame)
Omoto (Furanohana)
Onosho (Jejima & Hoshihitomi)
Osunaarashi (Rufakiyama)
Ryuden (Umigame & Kofuji-ICAN)
Sadahikari (Screeching Owl)
Sato (Derek & Kintamayama)
Satoyama (Yubinhaad)
Shiba (Haidouzo & Toratorii)
Takamisato (Inhashi)
Takaryu (chishafuwaku)
Takayoshitoshi (Holleshoryu*)
Terao (Ajisen)
Tetsuyuzan (Obana)
Tochihiryu (Kiritsubaki)
Tokkoriki (Leonishiki)
Tsurugisho (Shitamachi & Unkonoyama)
Ura (Gibuten(charliki) & kotoshikona & Mmikasazuma & Pandaazuma(Simon))

…The rank picks for TORCHBEARER 2016: Juryo 7 West had the most picks.

Y1E (Rufakiyama)
J2W (Nekonishiki & Toratorii)
J3E (Kosimazaki & Sukubidubidu)
J4E (Umigame)
J5W (McBugger & nomadwolf & Pitinosato)
J6E (Chisaiyama)
J6W (Oshirokita & Ryoshishokunin & Shitamachi & Yubinhaad)
J7E (Ganzohnesushi)
J7W (Cydrome & Daughter of Sukubidubidu & Haidouzo & Mmikasazuma & Yoohoo)
J8E (Konrad & Naganoyama & Profomisakari & Suwihuto)
J8W (Furanohana)
J9E (Fatakiyama & Jejima & orandashoho)
J10E (Shokikogi)
J10W (Hitotsubushi)
J11E (kotoshikona & yorikiried by fate)
J11W (Unkonoyama)
J12E (Pandaazuma)
J12W (Gurowake)
J13E (Achiyama & Terarno)
J14W (chishafuwaku)
Ms3E (Tenshinhan)
Ms3W (Kintamayama & ronnie)
Ms4E (kuroimori)
Ms4W (Wamahada)
Ms5E (Gibuten & Itachi)
Ms6W (Lord Chozo)
Ms7E (Ayagawa)
Ms7W (Shikona)
Ms9W (Hoshihitomi)
Ms10E (shimodahito)
Ms11E (Taiga)
Ms14W (Obana)
Ms16E (Kiritsubaki & Saruyama)
Ms19W (Taka)
Ms20E (Domichi)
Ms20W (Screeching Owl)
Ms21E (Tsubame)
Ms25E (Leonishiki)
Ms26E (Tsukiko)
Ms28E (Derek)
Ms32W (Holleshoryu*)
Ms36E (Ajisen)
Ms42W (Inhashi)
Sd1E (Jason)
Sd28E (Kofuji-ICAN)
Sd48E (teo_heel)
Jd69E (Andonishiki)
Jk23E (wildcard)

If there are any corrections/misspellings or I forgot someone, let me know. Good Luck.

Edited September 13, 2016 by shimodahito

[shimodahito]

good day all,
...from the bottom of the banzuke the 2016 TORCH starts with rank Jonokuchi 23 East & rikishi Nodagashira, from Chiba -- who went 0-4 in his maezumo matches.
...and the the first TORCH MATCH or the year:

TORCH MATCH ON HATSU DAY 1!

RIKISHI
NODAGASHIRA vs HATTORIZAKURA

RANK
JONOKUCHI 23 EAST vs JONOKUCHI 22 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
wildcard's (default) rank/rikishi pick is JONOKUCHI 23 EAST NODAGASHIRA
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
69 players with 0 points.

[Ryoshishokunin]

Can I suggest that in future years wildcard pick something a little bit more reasonable than the bottom of the banzuke for his rank: maybe last year's winning rank? (or add another drone with last year's winning Torchholders?)

[nomadwolf]

Profomisakari has 2 rikishi picks: Sato & Kyokutaisei

[kuroimori]

Yeah! First points of the Torchbearer 2016 edition are in the books!

Now I cheer for Kotokamatani to pull a Sakumayama... ;-)

[shimodahito]

good day all,

Thanks kuroimori! Indeed some points were awarded.

DAY 1: Jonokuchi 23 East Nodagashira defeated Jonokuchi 22 West Hattorizakura.

DAY 3: Jonokuchi 23 East Nodagashira passed the TORCH to Jonokuchi 21 West Bandaisan.

and the....

TORCH MATCH ON HATSU DAY 5!

RIKISHI
BANDAISAN vs KOTOKAMATANI

RANK
JONOKUCHI 21 WEST vs JONOKUCHI 20 EAST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.

Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKMATANI.

a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

their pick won.

standings:
3 points - kuroimori

3 points - Naganoyama

67 players with 0 points.

[kuroimori]

Bandaisan turned into "BandAid-san" when the bout was over!

Go, Kotokamatani!!!

Edited January 14, 2016 by kuroimori

[Tenshinhan]

[shimodahito]

good day all,
Tenshinhan, thanks for posting the TORCH MATCH video!

The co-leaders try for more points in the:

TORCH MATCH ON HATSU DAY 7!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs TAKENOUMI

RANK
JONOKUCHI 20 EAST vs JONOKUCHI 14 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

their rikishi pick won.
standings:
3 points - kuroimori
3 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

[shimodahito]

good day all,
The two leaders are seeing how far they can go with a jonokuchi rikishi pick:

TORCH MATCH ON HATSU DAY 10!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs TOMIYAMA

RANK
JONOKUCHI 20 EAST vs JONOKUCHI 5 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
6 points - kuroimori
6 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

Edited January 20, 2016 by shimodahito

[shimodahito]

good day all,
More good news for the co-leaders:

TORCH MATCH ON HATSU DAY 12!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs HITOMI

RANK
JONOKUCHI 20 EAST vs JONOKUCHI 8 EAST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
9 points - kuroimori
9 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

Edited March 15, 2016 by shimodahito

[shimodahito]

good day all,
Could the TORCH, for the first time ever, jump to Jonidan during the basho?

TORCH MATCH ON HATSU DAY 13!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs HAYATE
RANK
JONOKUCHI 20 EAST vs JONIDAN 97 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
12 points - kuroimori
12 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

Edited March 15, 2016 by shimodahito

[shimodahito]

good day,
Two players take a chance on guessing a Jonokuchi ranked rikishi to get some TORCH points early. This has proved successful and unsuccessful in previous years for players; but has never provided enough points to win at the end of the year. 2016 could be different.

Here is a recap of the TORCH journey during the Hatsu basho:
start-of-TORCH 2016 rank: JONOKUCHI 23 EAST
start-of-TORCH 2016 rikishi: NODAGASHIRA

DAY 1: Jonokuchi 23 East Nodagashira (0-0) defeated Jonokuchi 22 West Hattorizakura (0-0).
DAY 3: Jonokuchi 23 East Nodagashira (1-0) passed the TORCH to Jonokuchi 21 West Bandaisan (1-0).
DAY 5: Jonokuchi 21 West Bandaisan (2-0) passed the TORCH to Jonokuchi 20 East Kotokamatani (2-0) [3 points kuroimuri & Naganoyama]

DAY 7: Jonokuchi 20 East Kotokamatani (3-0) defeated Jonokuchi 14 West Takenoumi (3-0) [3 points - kuroimuri & Naganoyama]
DAY 10: Jonokuchi 20 East Kotokamatani (4-0) defeated Jonokuchi 5 West Tomiyama (3-1) [3 points - kuroimuri & Naganoyama]

DAY 12: Jonokuchi 20 East Kotokamatani (5-0) defeated Jonokuchi 8 East Hitomi (4-1) [3 points - kuroimuri & Naganoyama]

DAY 13: Jonokuchi 20 East Kotokamatani (6-0) defeated Jonidan 97 West Hayate (5-1) [3 points - kuroimuri & Naganoyama]

end-of-Hatsu rank: JONOKUCHI 20 EAST
end-of-Hatsu rikishi: KOTOKAMATANI

standings:
15 points - kuroimori
15 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

thanks to the video loggers!!!

[Achiyama]

Thanks Shimodahito for running this easy to play game.

I think something has to be done with the rules.

I don't think it is bad but the game becomes a boring one when somebody chooses a dominant rikishi (especially in Hatsu) and piles up a lot of points and till the end of the year all other gamers are out of the game.

What I'd recommend is to have a rule like the one for Chain Gang Game - "a gamer to be able to get maximum 3 wins/rikishi/basho".

That means that if it happened a dominant rikishi like Kotononami after his 3rd win the Rijiho to change the bout for next day with another one which doesn't include the one who already had 3+ wins in a row.

Another thing: what if (it's not that the probability to happen is high) all gamers had chosen Kotononami (like Banzuke Wave 12). The game would be boring as well.

This is just my opinion.

Edited January 24, 2016 by Achiyama

[kuroimori]

Thanks Shimodahito for running this easy to play game.

I think something has to be done with the rules.

I don't think it is bad but the game becomes a boring one when somebody chooses a dominant rikishi (especially in Hatsu) and piles up a lot of points and till the end of the year all other gamers are out of the game.

What I'd recommend is to have a rule like the one for Chain Gang Game - "a gamer to be able to get maximum 3 wins/rikishi/basho".

That means that if it happened a dominant rikishi like Kotononami after his 3rd win the Rijiho to change the bout for next day with another one which doesn't include the one who already had 3+ wins in a row.

Another thing: what if (it's not that the probability to happen is high) all gamers had chosen Kotononami (like Banzuke Wave 12). The game would be boring as well.

This is just my opinion.

Ahm, objection!

The simple fact that just 2 out of 69 players chose - or rather took a gamble with - Kotokamatani (not Kotononami) doesn't warrant such restrictive rule in my point of view. Then you would have to change the name of this game as well.

[shimodahito]

good day,

In the years of TORCH, no player who picked a jonokuchi rikishi has won. And only once do I remember someone finishing in the top 5. Also, there have been years when jonokuchi-picking players never get a TORCH match or lose on their first match. This year the two jonokuchi-pickers are on a roll and collecting many points. I don't know how long their run will last, but it's certainly not common when compared to past years... and there have been jonokuchi-picking players nearly every year. The rank picks could be the decider of who finishes on top. good luck to all.

-shimodahito

Edited March 15, 2016 by shimodahito

[shimodahito]

good day all,
start-of-haru-rikishi: KOTOKAMATANI

start-of-haru-rank: JONIDAN 10 EAST

TORCH MATCH ON HARU DAY 2!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs TOSEIMA

RANK
JONIDAN 10 EAST vs JONIDAN 10 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
15 points - kuroimori
15 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

Edited March 15, 2016 by shimodahito

[shimodahito]

good day all,

TORCH MATCH ON HARU DAY 4!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs HASUGEYAMA

RANK
JONIDAN 10 EAST vs JONIDAN 9 EAST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
18 points - kuroimori
18 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

[shimodahito]

good day all,

TORCH MATCH ON HARU DAY 6!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs HIBU

RANK
JONIDAN 10 EAST vs JONIDAN 12 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
21 points - kuroimori
21 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

[shimodahito]

good day all,
With co-leaders at 24 points, it will take more than just ending the year with a TORCH pick to defeat them. This is the first time in TORCHBEARER history there has been such a quick start. The gamble to pick a jonokuchi rikishi has never produced points this many points.

TORCH MATCH ON HARU DAY 8!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs HOKUYOZAN

RANK
JONIDAN 10 EAST vs JONIDAN 13 EAST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
24 points - kuroimori
24 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points.

[shimodahito]

good day all,
Naganoyama & kuoimori continue the roll.

TORCH MATCH ON HARU DAY 9!

RIKISHI
KOTOKAMATANI vs YAMATOARASHI

RANK
JONIDAN 10 EAST vs JONIDAN 8 WEST

Player(s) up for points:
kuroimori's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
Naganoyama's rikishi pick is KOTOKAMATANI.
a loss = 1 point, but a win = 3 points and an opportunity for more points in the next torch match

standings:
27 points - kuroimori
27 points - Naganoyama
67 players with 0 points

[kuroimori]

Thanks for the ride, Mr. Kamatani! ;-)

[Achiyama]

Thanks for the ride, Mr. Kamatani! ;-)

And turning the game into a 2-player game. ;-)

BTW, what is the tiebreaker between Kuriomori and Naganoyama?

[kuroimori]

Thanks for the ride, Mr. Kamatani! ;-)

And turning the game into a 2-player game. ;-)

BTW, what is the tiebreaker between Kuriomori and Naganoyama?

I was surprised that only Naganoyama and I picked him.

BTW, just scroll all the way up to post #1 for the rank picks / tiebreakers.

[Achiyama]

Thanks for the ride, Mr. Kamatani! ;-)

And turning the game into a 2-player game. ;-)

BTW, what is the tiebreaker between Kuriomori and Naganoyama?

I was surprised that only Naganoyama and I picked him.

BTW, just scroll all the way up to post #1 for the rank picks / tiebreakers.

I know very well the picks.

I don't blame you, or Naganoyama that you picked KOTOKAMATANI. On the contrary, I think you did a smart pick.

All I want to point out is that for the rest of us (67 gamers) - 2016 is over. I don't think anybody can catch you.

I don't feel the buzz!

My question was about the tiebreaker between you and Naganoyama - who would be declared the Yusho Winner?