New Banzuke for Hatsu 2016

[hamcornheinz]

As I predicted many many days ago, Aminishiki is not promoted to sanyaku...

I predicted that Harumafuji would not be demoted to ozeki. Both predictions were as easy to make.

Are you sure? You mean a Yokozuna can be demoted like a ozeki?

No, its impossible for a Yokozuna to be demoted, just like it was impossible for Aminishiki to be promoted to sanyaku.

[Asashosakari]

... just like it was impossible for Aminishiki to be promoted to sanyaku.

And you've based this conclusion on...?

[Kintamayama]

Juryo:

Ishiura J10

Lucky Man award winner - last basho Ishiura was 7-8 at J10E. Where does that land him in this banzuke? J10E.

Interesting. When was the last time (not including scandalous days and mass retirements..) someone got a MK in Juryo and above and was not demoted at all?.

[Asashosakari]

Interesting. When was the last time (not including scandalous days and mass retirements..) someone got a MK in Juryo and above and was not demoted at all?.

It hasn't been that rare in low juryo lately.

2015.11 Ishiura J10e 7-8 -> J10e

2014.11 Tochihiryu J13w 7-8 -> J13w

2013.11 Kimurayama J11w 7-8 -> J11w

2013.11 Higonojo J14e 7-8 -> J14e

2013.09 Daikiho J9w 7-8 -> J9w

2013.09 Sotairyu J10e 7-8 -> J10e

2013.09 Wakakoyu J11e 7-8 -> J11e

2013.09 Chiyomaru J13e 7-8 -> J13e

2006.03 Senshuyama J12w 7-8 -> J12w

2006.03 Sumanofuji J13w 7-8 -> J13w

2004.05 Wakakosho J14w 7-8 -> J14w

2003.07 Harunoyama J8w 7-8 -> J8w

2002.01 Sumanofuji J11w 7-8 -> J11w

2002.01 Wakatenro J12e 7-8 -> J12e

The last case in makuuchi that wasn't aided by a sanyaku expansion was after Nagoya 2013.

[Gernobono]

2004.05 Wakakosho J14w 7-8 -> J14w

*sigh*

i remember that one well, as i always rooted for wakakosho

[rhyen]

If HF beat Kise on Senshuraku last basho, would it create the first banzuke where all the sekitori from the same heya lineup on the same side (only Terunofuji is on the West side)?

[hamcornheinz]

If HF beat Kise on Senshuraku last basho, would it create the first banzuke where all the sekitori from the same heya lineup on the same side (only Terunofuji is on the West side)?

Thats a pretty wierd criteria. I mean if there were only 2 sekitori in a certain heya it would be almost impossible that they wouldn't be at one time or another at the same side of the banzuke.

[Akinomaki]

Team Kokonoe now has surpassed team Isegahama in number of sekitori: 6 against 5, of course in much lower ranks, but a much younger team as well: the youngest, Chiyootori (23) is even the heya's top. With only 13 rikishi in the heya, they don't have enough tsukebito (the 2 oyakata have some as well, makuuchi rikishi may have more than one, 2 higher ranked gyoji are also in the heya and no young ones - I don't know from what rank on they'd then get a rikishi as tsukebito, surely as tate-gyoji, Keinosuke as sanyaku-kaku? - maybe). They don't borrow them from other heya: for the basho one younger rikishi has to attend 2 sekitori.
http://www.chunichi.co.jp/chuspo/article/sumo/news/CK2015122702000169.html
front: Chiyotairyu, Chiyootori, Chiyomaru - back: Chiyonokuni, Chiyoo, Chiyoshoma

[WAKATAKE]

Team Kokonoe now has surpassed team Isegahama in number of sekitori: 6 against 5, of course in much lower ranks, but a much younger team as well: the youngest, Chiyootori (23) is even the heya's top. With only 13 rikishi in the heya, they don't have enough tsukebito (the 2 oyakata have some as well, makuuchi rikishi may have more than one, 2 higher ranked gyoji are also in the heya and no young ones - I don't know from what rank on they'd then get a rikishi as tsukebito, surely as tate-gyoji, Keinosuke as sanyaku-kaku? - maybe). They don't borrow them from other heya: for the basho one younger rikishi has to attend 2 sekitori.

http://www.chunichi.co.jp/chuspo/article/sumo/news/CK2015122702000169.html

front: Chiyotairyu, Chiyootori, Chiyomaru - back: Chiyonokuni, Chiyoo, Chiyoshoma

Pretty sure the criteria for getting a tsukebito was being a sekitori. That's amazing that almost 50% of a heya can be sekitori though. If only they could become more dominant rikishi like both of the oyakata were.

[Yubinhaad]

I had forgotten about the handful of lower division urakata promotions which took effect with the release of this banzuke, so I've corrected the main gyoji and yobidashi posts with those. In addition, there are two other changes to the gyoji roster:

Kasugayama-beya's Makuuchi gyoji Shikimori Yodayu has changed his name to Shikimori Yonokichi (式守 与之吉).

Takanohana-beya's Jonidan gyoji Kimura Yasutaka has turned in his gunbai and retired. Rather surprised by that - his father is the heya's senior tokoyama, Tokotaka, so I figured Yasutaka would be in for the long term having been brought up around the sumo world.

[Jakusotsu]

Ok, I recognize Gagamaru, but who's the guy on the left? B-)

[Washuyama]

Ok, I recognize Gagamaru, but who's the guy on the left? B-)

Oh, it's Gagamaru....I see it now. I thought Hakurozan was back in town. :-P

[word20]

Yoshikaze as sekiwake??? Am I the only one who's almost shocked they put him above Ikioi?

Also (less shocking): I have no idea how Kagayaki managed to get in front of Sadanofuji in the queue to the M16 spot.

There is a reason for this.

Here is the article that explains this issue

http://www.cibersumo.com/index.php/en/sumo/press-room-news/816-at-33-yoshikaze-makes-jump-to-sekiwake

[Asashosakari]

There is a reason for this.

Here is the article that explains this issue

http://www.cibersumo.com/index.php/en/sumo/press-room-news/816-at-33-yoshikaze-makes-jump-to-sekiwake

Explains what?

[Katooshu]

Thoughts on how Kagayaki will do?

I think that he'll eventually get a solid footing in makuuchi, but at this point I think he'll struggle to maintain rank there.

[Dapeng]

Interesting. When was the last time (not including scandalous days and mass retirements..) someone got a MK in Juryo and above and was not demoted at all?.

It hasn't been that rare in low juryo lately.

2015.11 Ishiura J10e 7-8 -> J10e

2014.11 Tochihiryu J13w 7-8 -> J13w

2013.11 Kimurayama J11w 7-8 -> J11w

2013.11 Higonojo J14e 7-8 -> J14e

2013.09 Daikiho J9w 7-8 -> J9w

2013.09 Sotairyu J10e 7-8 -> J10e

2013.09 Wakakoyu J11e 7-8 -> J11e

2013.09 Chiyomaru J13e 7-8 -> J13e

2006.03 Senshuyama J12w 7-8 -> J12w

2006.03 Sumanofuji J13w 7-8 -> J13w

2004.05 Wakakosho J14w 7-8 -> J14w

2003.07 Harunoyama J8w 7-8 -> J8w

2002.01 Sumanofuji J11w 7-8 -> J11w

2002.01 Wakatenro J12e 7-8 -> J12e

The last case in makuuchi that wasn't aided by a sanyaku expansion was after Nagoya 2013.

I always suspect that the banzukecommittee uses some kind of mathematics to calculate the placement of each rikishi...... could this be true?

[Gurowake]

Thoughts on how Kagayaki will do?

I think that he'll eventually get a solid footing in makuuchi, but at this point I think he'll struggle to maintain rank there.

Given how long it took him to get through Juryo, he's not going to be tearing things up. I expect he'll be like Daieisho, hovering around the border of the two divisions, at least for now. They're both still young.

[Muhomatsu]

I noted that Tsugaruumi is listed as changing his shikona on the Hatsu 2016 banzuke. What was the change? I cannot tell from the website, the kanji and reading look the same.

http://www.sumo.or.jp/honbasho/banzuke/kaimei_rikishi

Is it a change to the way the "umi" character is written (a la Tokitsuumi and Tosanoumi's?) I have not seen any differentiation for those characters available on the web.

[Gurowake]

The database is showing that he's dropped a 'u', so I guess that means the "u" is long instead of being two different vowels since they come from different kanji. I'm not sure how that would be reflected in the kana reading though. In fact, the database shows no change at all for him in the Japanese version. I'm not sure what's going on there either. Maybe it's just the Romanization that's changing.

[Doitsuyama]

The database grabs the shikona changes from http://www.sumo.or.jp/honbasho/banzuke/kaimei_rikishibefore grabbing the new banzuke (a must, otherwise it gets difficult to follow the rikishi), and as you can see there is this mysterious non-change. I think it's a case of changing the 'umi' 海 to another character with one more stroke, but not available in Unicode (or back from such a character to the standard). The change shouldn't even be visible as they get filtered out, but the necessary romanization algorithm can't really "see" that the るう in つがるうみ is not a long ru but must stay ruu. I corrected the romanization now.

[hamcornheinz]

I'm not sure if this is it but Kitanoumi's umi is 湖 whereas the normal kanji is 海, in Mainoumi, Okinoumi etc.. so that might be the change.

[Doitsuyama]

I'm not sure if this is it but Kitanoumi's umi is 湖 whereas the normal kanji is 海, in Mainoumi, Okinoumi etc.. so that might be the change.

Most certainly not. This is a totally different kanji.

[hamcornheinz]

I'm pretty sure its a mix up of some sort, because the kanji are exactly the same.

[Akinomaki]

One has to look at the printed banzuke to see the change, usually the "mother" 母 part is changed back to standard for "umi" like in "every" 毎 - he had it the other way.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Akinomaki

[Doitsuyama]

I'm pretty sure its a mix up of some sort, because the kanji are exactly the same.

They are the same because the exact kanji isn't available in Unicode so they replaced with the most similar kanji which just happens to be same. Why posting it in the kaimei list at all then? Well, there was a change, they just can't write it on the internet.