Akinomaki Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Endo has the trouble of being very popular not only with the fans, but also with the other rikishi: they are eager to face him at the basho, to have a good chance to get about 20 kensho.Still he managed to get more than half of them this year, 549 of the 1060 kensho on his bouts so far.At m4 it will be more difficult to get again half of them - he just wants to focus on trying to reach sanyaku.http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20151103-OHT1T50200.html 3
orandashoho Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Maybe he will start sharing that particular popularity with newcomer Mitakeumi now.
kuroimori Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Nah, Endo is still leading by far thanks to be in the "kawaii" (cute) category. This can't be said about Mitakeumi, who I would put at the other end of the "kawaii" scale, right in the opposite "kowai" (scary) category - maybe like Ichinojo. 2
WAKATAKE Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 So he's about 50-50 on his matches. And a lot of those guys look motivated whenever they are wrestling him.
Doitsuyama Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 So he's about 50-50 on his matches. That's an assumption which isn't necessarily true. Especially in the joi-jin a rikishi will easily end kachi-koshi but winning less than half of the kensho in his bouts (no wonder, considering that most of those kensho will be in bouts against yokozuna and ozeki, Hakuho in particular, but most wins are coming against those below ozeki).
Akinomaki Posted November 6, 2015 Author Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) As usual this year, this basho will have the most ever kensho for a Kyushu basho, maybe also for a regional basho, around 1550. That top is now Nagoya this year with 1509 (real top last basho with 1979), and the numbers this time are promising to surpass that (if we don't get a kyujo by Endo early in the basho - a yokozuna dropout may only be the 2nd worst that can happen). This time Hakuho is back to the top for the number of fixed kensho on his bouts with 181, Endo follows with 180. The number 3 though is unusual: local ozeki Kotoshogiku has attracted 161. The local komusubi Yoshikaze has 2 new sponsors as well, one from a deodorant maker. Sadanofuji has also got one, Dia-Salt - we might hear several funny comments if he faces Aminishiki, who has Hakata-Salt as a sponsor. But other than many thought, Mitakeumi has only one firm for only a single day of the basho so far. If he performs well he might attract more though. And another thing to look out for: Nagatanien will have new banners for the Endo bouts, adapted to the new Endo-hug doll CM campaign CMs which start on shonichi. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/1562252.html http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20151106/sum15110617380008-n1.html Edited November 6, 2015 by Akinomaki 3
littlebutts Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Kotoshogiku having the 3rd most kensho for the basho makes sense since he's from Fukuoka. I'm not sure if the home advantage will help him or hurt him this basho as that kind of pressure to perform can affect performance. Goeido being kadoban will distract a little bit, at least.
torquato Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) The kensho top 10 from Nikkansports.Day 11. Yoshikaze 262. Hakuho 223. Kotoshogiku 164. Amuru 125. Harumafuji 115. Terunofuji 117. Kisenosato 98. Chiyootori 38. Kaisei 310 Toyonoshima 210 Goeido 210 Ikioi 210 Mitakeumi 2 Edited November 8, 2015 by torquato 5
bettega Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 The kensho top 10 from Nikkansports. Day 1 1. Yoshikaze 26 2. Hakuho 22 You don't see that every day. 1
torquato Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Day 21. Hakuho 482. Yoshikaze 383. Kotoshogiku 284. Aminishiki 155. Kakuryu 136. Amuru 127. Harumafuji 117. Terunofuji 119. Kisenosato 910 Kaisei 610 Tochiozan 6 3
Gurowake Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) So less than 6 for Osunaarashi's kinboshi? That's disappointing; Yoshikaze got 12 against Kisensato. Well, the kinboshi mochikyukin is probably a lot more over the length of his career regardless. Edited November 9, 2015 by Gurowake
Akinomaki Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 So less than 6 for Osunaarashi's kinboshi? That's disappointing That's Harumafuji Terunofuji more than 100 fixed kensho on his bouts, Harumafuji has 30. Harumafuji is frustrated: on day 5 Hakuho had 30 (it's Hakuho), Kakuryu 24 (it was the last bout) and he just 1 kensho (2nd to last bout). Against Tochiozan, for which Hakuho got the top limit of 50 kensho on day 1 (last bout). Maybe an all time low for a yokozuna Harumafuji when not in the last bout of the day (except day 1) gets only a fraction of what Hakuho gets on kensho, less than some ozeki. 3
torquato Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) So less than 6 for Osunaarashi's kinboshi? Rewatching the NHK footage on Jason's All-Sumo channel on YT, I can now tell that Osunaarashi got 3 Kensho for this bout, if anybody wanted to know. Edited November 9, 2015 by torquato
torquato Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Day 3: 1. Hakuho 65 2. Kotoshogiku 43 3. Yoshikaze 38 4. Harumafuji 28 5. Kakuryu 24 6. Terunofuji 19 6. Kisenosato 19 8. Aminishiki 15 9. Toyonoshima 14 10 Amuru 12 4
torquato Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Day 4: 1. Hakuho 81 2. Kotoshogiku 51 3. Kakuryu 42 4. Harumafuji 38 4. Yoshikaze 38 6. Terunofuji 27 7. Kisenosato 25 8. Toyonoshima 17 9. Aminishiki 15 10 Endo 13 Sorry for the delay... :( 3
Jyuunomori Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 It is so depressing to not see Oosunaarashi on there with his kinboshi victory over Harumafuji. But I guess that is what winning only on one day out of four will do to you. Hakuho seems to be running away again especially since Endo has not shown up to this basho except today.
torquato Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Day 5: 1. Hakuho 105 2. Kotoshogiku 60 3. Kakuryu 42 4. Harumafuji 41 4. Yoshikaze 41 6. Kisenosato 37 7. Terunofuji 27 8. Aminishiki 17 8. Toyonoshima 17 10 Ikioi 14 4
torquato Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Day 6: 1. Hakuho 124 2. Kotoschogiku 60 3. Harumafuji 58 4. Kakuryu 48 5. Kisenosato 45 6. Yoshikaze 41 7. Terunofuji 33 8. Endo 26 9. Aminishiki 18 10 Toyonoshima 17 4
ronnie Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Is there a particular reason that Harumafuji's bouts attract so little kensho?
Jakusotsu Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Must have something to do with popularity, I guess.
ronnie Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Must have something to do with popularity, I guess. Well, considering that kensho is a cheaper form of advertising and that the yokozuna bouts are on at the peak viewing times for ozumo, I wouldn't have thought that one sekitori's lack of popularity would interfere with the chance to promote a company or/and it's products. I was begining to think that perhaps Harumafuji had done something to upset corporate Japan.
Gurowake Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Kakuryu has approximately the same number of kensho per win as Harumafuji, slightly less actually. Harumafuji has had 17 when he's in the last bout (Days 3 and 6), but only 3 on the day he lost and on Day 5, in which he went second-last. When he's the first Yokozuna to go, he's had 11 (Day 1) and 10 (4). And he gets one day less of being last because of the rotation being reset on Day 15: Kakuryu will go last on Day 13 when the two longest running Yokozuna meet, Hakuho last on Day 14 when the two weaker Yokozuna meet, and Hakuho vs. Kakuryu will be the last match of the tournament. There's something a little screwy with their system of deciding who goes last when it consistently produces the result of having 2 of the 3 Yokozuna matches not be the last ones of the day. Why don't they change things up given that they mess it all up anyway on Day 15?
dingo Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 I guess it's more that Hakuho is getting obscene amounts of kensho and the other yokozuna are not just established enough to compare.
torquato Posted November 14, 2015 Posted November 14, 2015 Day 7: 1. Hakuho 139 2. Kotoshogiku 74 3. Kakuryu 69 4. Harumafuji 65 5. Kisenosato 56 6. Yoshikaze 47 7. Terunofuji 33 8. Endo 26 9. Ikioi 22 10 Aminishiki 18 4
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