Tsubame Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 wouldn't that be the BIGGEST injustice? is that possible? for Tochinoshin to be held at M1e with a 8-7? You cannot say that that never happend before... [Query] so... :-/ 1
Masumasumasu Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 That's the beauty of the OBSC: its existence can neither be proven nor disproved by only watching the bouts.Id say its existence has already been proven by previous bouts. Its just harder to say for other bouts. Nonsense.
Gurowake Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Tochinoshin is guaranteed one by virtue of a KK at M1e. As we have seen in the near past, Tochinoshin is guaranteed NOTHING. Well, why then did they put him against Kyokutenho on Day 15 (and Gagamaru on Day 14, who was MK at the time), when they normally would have him fighting against the other candidates for sanyaku? Purposefully so that when he won they could say that he doesn't deserve the promotion because he beat a bunch of weaklings, even though they themselves were the ones who gave him those opponents? It seems much, much, much more likely that they wanted to effectively guarantee him the KK to make up for having to deny him the spot last time.
Kintamayama Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Tochinoshin is guaranteed one by virtue of a KK at M1e. As we have seen in the near past, Tochinoshin is guaranteed NOTHING. Well, why then did they put him against Kyokutenho on Day 15 (and Gagamaru on Day 14, who was MK at the time), when they normally would have him fighting against the other candidates for sanyaku? Purposefully so that when he won they could say that he doesn't deserve the promotion because he beat a bunch of weaklings, even though they themselves were the ones who gave him those opponents? It seems much, much, much more likely that they wanted to effectively guarantee him the KK to make up for having to deny him the spot last time. Yes, and for the non promotion with that 13-2 Juryo yusho. They have a lot of making up to do.. I really don't know why anything was planned. I can only guess regarding Kyokutenhou that they hoped he would bring all he had for the last time and find some inner strength and beat Tochinoshin. After all, his yusho came out of the blue as well back then. As for Gagamaru as an opponent, that was a complete farce of course. I just know Tochinoshin gets screwed over time and again.
Kurikara Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Tochinoshin is guaranteed one by virtue of a KK at M1e. As we have seen in the near past, Tochinoshin is guaranteed NOTHING. Well, why then did they put him against Kyokutenho on Day 15 (and Gagamaru on Day 14, who was MK at the time), when they normally would have him fighting against the other candidates for sanyaku? Purposefully so that when he won they could say that he doesn't deserve the promotion because he beat a bunch of weaklings, even though they themselves were the ones who gave him those opponents? It seems much, much, much more likely that they wanted to effectively guarantee him the KK to make up for having to deny him the spot last time. Yes, and for the non promotion with that 13-2 Juryo yusho. They have a lot of making up to do.. I really don't know why anything was planned. I can only guess regarding Kyokutenhou that they hoped he would bring all he had for the last time and find some inner strength and beat Tochinoshin. After all, his yusho came out of the blue as well back then. As for Gagamaru as an opponent, that was a complete farce of course. I just know Tochinoshin gets screwed over time and again. Or maybe they just wanted someone against Kyokutenho who wouldn't just grant him a parting gift. (sorry, wanted to reply to the post before) Edited July 28, 2015 by Kurikara
ScottyJoyJrBebe Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 wouldn't that be the BIGGEST injustice? is that possible? for Tochinoshin to be held at M1e with a 8-7? You cannot say that that never happend before... [Query] so... :-/ That is very sad. If that happens, I hope he WINS the Aki basho at M1e. (wishful thinking again) (after thought) Now that I said that, if he does, they will promote him to K1w. (bashful thinking)
Asojima Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Tochinoshin has had several hinkaku issues in the past including openly challenging his shisho. Paybacks are hell. 1
Tenshinhan Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 Maybe they will argue that Tochinoshin is only 7-7 because of the fusensho and that's why he can't be promoted to komusubi. (Laughing...)
ScottyJoyJrBebe Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 Unless you misspelled Goeidou when you typed Terunofuji, the answer is no, two jun-yusho's wouldn't cut it. I apologize for the tardiness of my reply, but after some research, I found at least one from the modern era with 2 jun-yusho's that resulted in a promotion: Ozeki 1 East Mienoumi 13-2 J (Natsu '79) Ozeki 1 East Mienoumi 14-1-P (Nagoya '79) With that being said, could the YDC have serious reason to not promote someone with back-to-back playoff's? (ex: 13-2-P 13-2-P)
Jejima Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I believe that any potential new Yokozuna would need to have at least one Yusho in the bag (so as to avoid another Futahaguro embarrassment). Therefore, if in the above example, the rikishi had not previously won a yusho, I do not think that he would get promoted with just those two Jun-Yushos. 2
ScottyJoyJrBebe Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I believe that any potential new Yokozuna would need to have at least one Yusho in the bag (so as to avoid another Futahaguro embarrassment). Therefore, if in the above example, the rikishi had not previously won a yusho, I do not think that he would get promoted with just those two Jun-Yushos. Appreciate the clarification. Koji Kitao. I actually watched him live on PPV in WWF WrestleMania 7, the same year I first started watching sumo, and had NO IDEA of the connection.
WAKATAKE Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Especially since there are 3 yokozuna now, one would have to really impress not just the Kyokai, but Yokozuna Deliberation Council as well. Not an easy thing to do.
Treblemaker Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Especially since there are 3 yokozuna now, one would have to really impress not just the Kyokai, but Yokozuna Deliberation Council as well. Not an easy thing to do. Well, if T-Fuji rattles off a yusho this basho, and somehow manages to get another one in Nov, or get a jun-yusho, it may force the Kyokai's hand, in spite of the Mongolian background. I think they'd rather give it to Kise, and who knows? If he becomes uncharacteristicly efficient and knocks off the Yoks to get his yusho, they might start thinking really hard.
Masumasumasu Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Apparently, Hakuho doesn't care for late shoves, either: http://youtu.be/QHMMMqJ1Uc4
orandashoho Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) "WHAT??? YOU are shoving ME? Wait till next time and I'll give you a REAL shove!" Oh-oh... "Oops?" Edited September 8, 2015 by orandashoho
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