ScreechingOwl Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories about sumo wins and losses in general, but any analysis of the past matches of kadoban ozeki who are 7-7 and facing another ozeki show such an aberrational win rate that it's impossible to discount. The last one I remember is Kakuryu gifting a win to Kotooshu, but I've seen so many of these that they all tend to run together. Terunofuji has a zillion cultural reasons to let up and permit Kotoshogiku win. I don't think a 12-3 (jun-yusho tie) plus a yusho will get him promoted anyway, so all a win would get him is O1E next basho. And I'm sure the JSA understands this and tacitly accepts it and even encourages it. If not, all it would have to do is move up the intra ozeki matches against kadoban ozeki.
Benevolance Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 If it's the one I'm thinking of, Kakuryu's gift to Kotooshu was a thing of beauty, where he 'accidentally' spun too far and got himself all turned around and ushered out. Waaaay more convincing than simply falling down. In fact, the kyokai might want to consider a fourth category of Special Prizes for Most Convincing Performance... 2
Gurowake Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Asasekiryu finishes 10-5 at J4E and looks to return to Makuuchi after nearly 3 years in Juryo. And I recall someone somewhere said he was looking ready to retire. Well, Wakanosato was in Makuuchi a year or so ago too, so..... Edited July 26, 2015 by Gurowake
WAKATAKE Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 The Nagoya basho (while not done at the time of this post) has officially lowered the "maninonrei" banners, and has been able to sell out all 15 days. The last time this happened at the Nagoya basho was in 1998 according to the NHK broadcasters. 1
Asashosakari Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories about sumo wins and losses in general, but any analysis of the past matches of kadoban ozeki who are 7-7 and facing another ozeki show such an aberrational win rate that it's impossible to discount.No need to even limit it to ozeki opponents, with modern kadoban regulations no 7-7 kadoban ozeki has ever lost on senshuraku. 2015.01 O2w Goeido vs O1w Kotoshogiku 2013.05 O2w Kotooshu vs O1w Kakuryu 2009.05 O3e Chiyotaikai vs Se Baruto 2006.03 O2w Kaio vs Se Hakuho 2003.05 O2e Musoyama vs O1w Kaio 2001.03 O2w Dejima vs M6e Asashoryu 1988.07 O2w Asashio vs O2e Hokutenyu 1987.07 O3w Hokutenyu vs O1w Konishiki 1977.07 O3e Mienoumi vs M5w Oshio 1974.09 O1w Daikirin vs O1e Takanohana 1958.05 O2w Matsunobori vs Sw Annenyama Plenty of venerable names there on the right-hand side. The only post-1927 ozeki demotion that was sealed on the final day was Itsutsushima in 1942. Edited July 26, 2015 by Asashosakari 7
Asashosakari Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Asasekiryu finishes 10-5 at J4E and looks to return to Makuuchi after nearly 3 years in Juryo. And I recall someone somewhere said he was looking ready to retire. Well, Wakanosato was in Makuuchi a year or so ago too, so..... Tosanoumi is another one who had one last hurrah in makuuchi (scandal-assisted though) and then quickly bombed.
CT3* Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I expect Giku to win tomorrow. My real interest lies in how it unfolds and how convincing it looks.
Lizard72 Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Why start out with Endo v. Amuru? They're having a pretty good run this July.
Asashosakari Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Why start out with Endo v. Amuru? They're having a pretty good run this July.It's the lowest-ranked match on the schedule today, there is no discretion in the order of play.
Kurikara Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories about sumo wins and losses in general, but any analysis of the past matches of kadoban ozeki who are 7-7 and facing another ozeki show such an aberrational win rate that it's impossible to discount.No need to even limit it to ozeki opponents, with modern kadoban regulations no 7-7 kadoban ozeki has ever lost on senshuraku.2015.01 O2w Goeido vs O1w Kotoshogiku 2013.05 O2w Kotooshu vs O1w Kakuryu 2009.05 O3e Chiyotaikai vs Se Baruto 2006.03 O2w Kaio vs Se Hakuho 2003.05 O2e Musoyama vs O1w Kaio 2001.03 O2w Dejima vs M6e Asashoryu 1988.07 O2w Asashio vs O2e Hokutenyu 1987.07 O3w Hokutenyu vs O1w Konishiki 1977.07 O3e Mienoumi vs M5w Oshio 1974.09 O1w Daikirin vs O1e Takanohana 1958.05 O2w Matsunobori vs Sw Annenyama Plenty of venerable names there on the right-hand side. The only post-1927 ozeki demotion that was sealed on the final day was Itsutsushima in 1942. This is amazing! My gut still tells me it will be different today..
Lizard72 Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Wow! Tochinosin did not look happy to have to beat him!
Mihasan Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 It sure looks like a goodbye for Kyokutenho, he was very emotional...
WAKATAKE Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Wow! Tochinosin did not look happy to have to beat him! Neither did Aminishiki yesterday. These guys love and respect him for what he's done for the sport. Even Hakuho respects Kyokutenho.
Kurikara Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 It sure looks like a goodbye for Kyokutenho, he was very emotional... Yeah, he's definitely out... Glad for Takarafuji's win; I wonder where he's been this whole basho.
Lizard72 Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Wow! Tochinosin did not look happy to have to beat him! Neither did Aminishiki yesterday. These guys love and respect him for what he's done for the sport. Even Hakuho respects Kyokutenho. NHK interpreter said Hakuho had stopped practicing yesterday to watch Kyokutenho and shook his head when he lost. 3
Kurikara Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories about sumo wins and losses in general, but any analysis of the past matches of kadoban ozeki who are 7-7 and facing another ozeki show such an aberrational win rate that it's impossible to discount.No need to even limit it to ozeki opponents, with modern kadoban regulations no 7-7 kadoban ozeki has ever lost on senshuraku.2015.01 O2w Goeido vs O1w Kotoshogiku 2013.05 O2w Kotooshu vs O1w Kakuryu 2009.05 O3e Chiyotaikai vs Se Baruto 2006.03 O2w Kaio vs Se Hakuho 2003.05 O2e Musoyama vs O1w Kaio 2001.03 O2w Dejima vs M6e Asashoryu 1988.07 O2w Asashio vs O2e Hokutenyu 1987.07 O3w Hokutenyu vs O1w Konishiki 1977.07 O3e Mienoumi vs M5w Oshio 1974.09 O1w Daikirin vs O1e Takanohana 1958.05 O2w Matsunobori vs Sw Annenyama Plenty of venerable names there on the right-hand side. The only post-1927 ozeki demotion that was sealed on the final day was Itsutsushima in 1942. Well, I guess you warned us.. I stand corrected...
Lizard72 Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Hmm, Ozeki status maintained. I guess I'm a believer in the OBSC..... 1
inhashi Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 ..and AGAIN, Humpty back on the wall! (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) (Clapping wildly...) 2
kuroimori Posted July 26, 2015 Author Posted July 26, 2015 Kotoshogiku looks so ashamed and embarrassed after that farce - and rightfully so! 1
WAKATAKE Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 There are a few ways to look at Giku's win. And it is all in Teru's face. The first could be as Teru walked off the dohyo, he gave Giku a stare. It could be contrived as "you owe me one." My uncle interpreted it as wrestle like an ozeki. This appears to be a henka attempt according to other people. Something "un"-ozeki like.
Masumasumasu Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Hmm, Ozeki status maintained. I guess I'm a believer in the OBSC..... Kadoban Ozeki are motivated to win....and a motivated champion is a formidable force, indeed.
kuroimori Posted July 26, 2015 Author Posted July 26, 2015 If you compare how careful Terunofuji was against Takekaze yesterday, it is more than strange how he just belly-splashed forward. Maybe he tried an Kotoshogiku impersonation?
Masumasumasu Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Kotoshogiku looks so ashamed and embarrassed after that farce - and rightfully so! At least he didn't viciously strike Terunofuji after the match. Kotoshogiku is a really, really nice and friendly man. Anyone who has met him can attest to this.
kuroimori Posted July 26, 2015 Author Posted July 26, 2015 Well after Kisenosato's lost against Goeido, at least the ozeki will be ranked in the right order on the Aki banzuke. 1
Masumasumasu Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 If you compare how careful Terunofuji was against Takekaze yesterday, it is more than strange how he just belly-splashed forward. Maybe he tried an Kotoshogiku impersonation? Wouldn't it be easier for Terunofuji to throw the match on his feet? Why go to all the trouble of doing a belly-flop?
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