PawnSums Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 6/9/2016 at 09:56, McBugger said: Akinomaki, I believe it was, reported that sototasukizori is the most obscure kimarite- neither he nor myself or any of the 10 000 surveyed Japanese had heard of it. I don't blame us: it's hard to be familiar with a kimarite that, for all we know, the world has never seen. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&kimarite=73 So I, PawnSums, may have been the only person in history to use it?
Bumpkin Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 On 1/27/2017 at 15:33, John Gunning said: 50,000 yen says Gagamaru doesn't win the Emperor's Cup in 2017 OK. Almost anything. 1
Atenzan Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 None of the past 4 makuuchi yusho have been won by an Ulanbataar-shusshin rikishi. This is the first time this has happened since the first yusho by an Ulanbataar-shusshin rikishi (Asashouryuu 1st, Kyushu 2002). Ulanbataar-shusshin yusho winners: Asashouryuu, Hakuhou, Terunofuji
Bumpkin Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 When was the last time two consecutive Makuuchi yushos were won by Japanese rikishi?
Jakusotsu Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 35 minutes ago, Bumpkin said: When was the last time two consecutive Makuuchi yushos were won by Japanese rikishi? More than 15 years.
Bumpkin Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: More than 15 years. Can you be slightly more specific?
Katooshu Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) For Japanese born rikishi, it was Kaio and Kotomitsuki in July 2001 and September 2001 respectively. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Yusho.aspx Edited March 20, 2017 by Katooshu
Akinomaki Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Day 8 after Natsu 2006 day 13, Chiyotaikai-Kaio, had again 2 Japanese rikishi face each other in the last bout. http://www.hochi.co.jp/sports/sumo/20170319-OHT1T50359.html 1
Akinomaki Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) The Onamis will be the 7th rikishi brothers trio, the first one were the Kobayashis back in 1944: makushita Kobayashi (not in the database), Terunobori and Teruzakura. Active we have the (Koto)Omuras: Kotodairyu, Kototora and the present Kotoomura. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/1793001.html Edited March 20, 2017 by Akinomaki 1
Atenzan Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 The makuuchi sole leader as of day 12, Haru 2017 is Y2w Kisenosato. The last time a rikishi in the Y2w spot won a yusho was Kashiwado in Hatsu 1966. 1
Rocks Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, McBugger said: The makuuchi sole leader as of day 12, Haru 2017 is Y2w Kisenosato. The last time a rikishi in the Y2w spot won a yusho was Kashiwado in Hatsu 1966. Well it's about time then.
Tsubame Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Kisenosato is only the 15th yokozuna not giving away a kinboshi in his debut tournament as yokozuna. 1
Atenzan Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Terunofuji has never had a basho ranked at komusubi. All 15-bout-era ozeki who had no basho at komusubi went on to become yokozuna. Edited March 24, 2017 by McBugger
Nantonoyama Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Hakuho lost to Ikioi on day 4. It is the first loss on day 4 since the Haru basho 2008, when he lost to Aminishiki on day 4. During this 9-year time span, despite 2 kyujo, he won 50 consecutive day 4 bouts he fought 1
Gurowake Posted March 23, 2017 Author Posted March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, McBugger said: Terunofuji has never had a basho ranked at komusubi. All modern-era ozeki who had no basho at komusubi went on to become yokozuna. I don't have time to look, but the mathematician in me says that statement would be true if no other Ozeki in the modern era had no basho at Komusubi, so for the observation to have any sort of weight, it would be useful to know just how many other such Ozeki there were
Asashosakari Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gurowake said: I don't have time to look, but the mathematician in me says that statement would be true if no other Ozeki in the modern era had no basho at Komusubi, so for the observation to have any sort of weight, it would be useful to know just how many other such Ozeki there were The DB's rank summary provides a handy view for that: Akinoumi Terukuni Azumafuji Chiyonoyama Kagamisato Yoshibayama Sadanoyama It's not quite true though, Hitachiiwa and Itsutsushima were also promoted to ozeki in the modern era and didn't make it. (Plus possibly others whose only listed komusubi appearances came after demotion from ozeki, but I don't feel like checking all profiles right now.) I suppose McBugger meant either since 1949 (15 bouts) or 1958 (six basho) rather than strictly modern era (since 1927). Amusingly, the two modern-era ozeki who were promoted without any tournaments as sekiwake also made it to yokozuna (Musashiyama and Maedayama). Edited March 23, 2017 by Asashosakari 1
Asashosakari Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 While we're on the subject - Hasegawa is the sole all-time leader in getting promoted directly from maegashira to sekiwake, managing to do it 5 times.
Atenzan Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 6 hours ago, Asashosakari said: The DB's rank summary provides a handy view for that: Akinoumi Terukuni Azumafuji Chiyonoyama Kagamisato Yoshibayama Sadanoyama It's not quite true though, Hitachiiwa and Itsutsushima were also promoted to ozeki in the modern era and didn't make it. (Plus possibly others whose only listed komusubi appearances came after demotion from ozeki, but I don't feel like checking all profiles right now.) I suppose McBugger meant either since 1949 (15 bouts) or 1958 (six basho) rather than strictly modern era (since 1927). Amusingly, the two modern-era ozeki who were promoted without any tournaments as sekiwake also made it to yokozuna (Musashiyama and Maedayama). Yes, meant 15-bout era, sorry. Nice catch.
Hak Sho Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 14 hours ago, Tsubame said: Kisenosato is only the 15th yokozuna not giving away a kinboshi in his debut tournament as yokozuna. Can you be slightly more specific? Who are pervious 14 yokozunas?
Tsubame Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Hak Sho said: Can you be slightly more specific? Who are pervious 14 yokozunas? The other 15 were (I missed Tsunenoyama in my first querry due to his draws), descending by numbers of maegashira fought: Takanohana - Hatsu Basho 1995 - 13-2Y Terukuni - Haru Basho 1943 - 14-1J Asahifuji - Aki 1990 - 13-2J Tachiyama - Natsu 1911 - 10-0Y Wajima - Nagoya 1973 - 11-4 Hakuho - Nagoya 2007 - 11-4 Takanosato - Aki 1983 - 15-0Y Hokotumi - Nagoya 1987 - 11-4 Miyagiyama - Haru Basho - 10-1Y Tochigiyama - Natsu 1918 - 9-1Y Tsunenohana - Natsu 1924 - 5-2-1-2d-1a Chiyonoyama - Aki 1951 - 9-6 Futabayama - Haru 1938 - 13-0Y Kitanofuji - Haru 1970 - 13-2J Tamanoumi - Haru 1970 - 13-2J 1
Tsuchinoninjin Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) Shunba, born 1981 went 6-1 in his makushita debut this Basho. The last time someone born before 1982 did this was 2005 Hatsu! Edited March 24, 2017 by Tsuchinoninjin
PawnSums Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 due to hokutoryu's retirement , Hanakaze has the longest career on record.
Asashosakari Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, Yamaguchi has become the first rikishi in over 50 years to get straight kachikoshi for two full years / 12 basho, without being a current or later ozeki/yokozuna (presumably) or a rookie. The most recent one to do it was later komusubi Haguroiwa (1964.11 to 1966.11, from Ms35e to his makuuchi debut). Edited March 26, 2017 by Asashosakari 2
Asashosakari Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 Latest rikishi to reach kachikoshi from... 0-7: Tochinishiki, Haru 1951, only one to achieve it 0-6: Tochinonada, Haru 2008, 13 cases altogether (including the one above), all 8-7's 0-5: Yoshikaze, Natsu 2012 (8-7), 53 cases altogether (including the 13 above), 43x 8-7 and 10x 9-6 (latest: Tokitenku, Kyushu 2006) Latest rikishi to go makekoshi from... 7-0: never 6-0: Dejima, Kyushu 2008 (6-9), 4 cases altogether, 2 of them via kyujo (fourth case: Oga, Nagoya 2006, also 6-9) 5-0: Takarafuji, Haru 2017 (7-8), 40 cases altogether (including the 4 above), 13 of them via kyujo, 17x 7-8, 5x 6-9 (latest: Dejima above), 5x 5-10 (latest: Aoiyama, Natsu 2013) 15-day tournaments only, but including those staged 1939-1944. 2
Flohru Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 When looking at some of the rikishi profiles on Sumo Reference, I realized that both Kizenryu and Higonojo have pretty good records for their final bouts when standing at 3-3: Higonojo managed kachi koshi 19 times (only falling to 3-4 five times), while Kizenryu's record is 9-2. I have not figured out how to do a search on this, but possibly someone can help: Who are the lower division rikishi with the strongest nerves?
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