Difference between hatakikomi/hikiotoshi/tsukiotoshi

[Kasutera]

Hi guys,

Apologies if someone has asked this question before. I tried to do a topic search of the forums to make sure there at least wasn't a separate thread about it.

Can someone with more sumo-watching/judging experience tell me what actually makes the difference between these three kimarite?:

- Hatakikomi

- Hikiotoshi

- Tsukiotoshi

To me they all look the same, but obviously this is due to my untrained eye. I've been able to discern at least that hatakikomi involves directly yanking down the HEAD, whereas a tsukiotoshi can be slapping down any part of the body to get the opponent's hands/body to touch the ground. I guess it's more the hatakikomi/hikiotoshi difference that has be confused. In my amateur wrestler brain all three just get categorized as "snap-down."

[ALAKTORN]

Hikiotoshi I believe is when the aite’s arms are pulled down and the aite touches the dohyō.

[Asojima]

Can someone with more sumo-watching/judging experience tell me what actually makes the difference between these three kimarite?:

- Hatakikomi

- Hikiotoshi

- Tsukiotoshi

Push Down, Pull Down and Force down, respectively. In the first two, the victim goes down forward and vertically. The third normally involves some sideways movement. Edited May 18, 2015 by Asojima

[Gurowake]

The main difference is that hikiotoshi is a pull, and the other two are pushes. Tsukiotoshi is classified as a twisting technique and is more like a throw, and is presumably more gradual than a hatakikomi which is a sudden slap. I'm sure that are are times when it's not clear which one should be used. Personally, I never really understood why they keep track of kimarite, especially ones that are somewhat ambiguous, but I suppose it's just some statistic like in every other sport.

[kuroimori]

and then there is another kintamarite:

slippiotoshi

(which is pretty much self-explanatory...)

[Hakuyobaku]

Add sokubiotoshi to that list. fairly common.

[Johnofuji]

I never really understood why they keep track of kimarite, especially ones that are somewhat ambiguous, but I suppose it's just some statistic like in every other sport.

I suppose one reason would be so you can work out the probability of which move your opponent will be likely to pull on you. I imagine it would be useful for those rikishi who study videos and want a strategy before they go into the bout.

Thanks for the explanation. I will share it on my techniques page and please feel free to add to it any time. https://www.facebook.com/SumoTechniquesKimariteCentral?fref=ts

In this article it shows how the techniques have changed over time with the siz of the rikishi

https://tv-tokyoshop.jp/column2/bigdate/007.php