Zentoryu Posted July 4, 2004 Posted July 4, 2004 For those interested, here are the Kensho standings. I will try and update this as often as possible during the basho. Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 17 935,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Chiyotaikai 7 385,000 Tochiazuma 7 385,000 Kotomitsuki 7 385,000 Buyuzan 3 165,000 Kotonowaka 2 110,000 Kokkai 1 55,000 Shimotori 1 55,000 Otsukasa 1 55,000 Futeno 1 55,000 Asa has big numbers again, this time on the first day.
Zentoryu Posted July 5, 2004 Author Posted July 5, 2004 (edited) The standings after Day 2... Rikishi Edited July 5, 2004 by Zentoryu
Zentoryu Posted July 7, 2004 Author Posted July 7, 2004 After Day 4... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 42 2,310,000 Tochiazuma 25 1,375,000 Takamisakari 14 770,000 Chiyotaikai 13 715,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Kaio 8 440,000 Takekaze 7 385,000 Otsukasa 4 220,000 Iwakiyama 3 165,000 Kokkai 3 165,000 Buyuzan 3 165,000 Futeno 3 165,000 If the number of kensho placed on your bouts is an indication of popularity or prestige, Tochiazuma has certainly not lost either inspite of his recent abscences and his demotion. There has been an average of 6 kensho placed on each of his bouts thus far. Only the Yokozuna, Takamisakari (sumo's Mr. Popularity) and Ozeki Chiyotaikai are averaging more per bout. There has been no shortage of kensho for the Makuuchi lesser lights either. Buyuzan, Futeno, and even Otsukasa have gotten in on the act.
Asashosakari Posted July 7, 2004 Posted July 7, 2004 Didn't the Kyokai want to nudge the kensho buyers towards putting some on lower bouts? Looks like it might already be working...
Zentoryu Posted July 8, 2004 Author Posted July 8, 2004 After Day 5.... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 49 2,695,000 Tochiazuma 25 1,375,000 Takamisakari 22 1,210,000 Chiyotaikai 17 935,000 Kokkai 10 550,000 Kaio 9 495,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Kotomitsuki 7 385,000 Takekaze 7 385,000 Buyuzan 6 330,000 Someone in Nagoya likes Buyuzan. He's had kensho placed on at least 4 of his 5 bouts.
Sasanishiki Posted July 8, 2004 Posted July 8, 2004 Zentoryu, Thanks for this information. I take it you get it from the japanese press which does the accumulation day by day? Given the discussion about "kensho love" that was developing. I think it would be interesting to look at the kensho given for each match to work out where the love really is. That is reasonably easy in the first few days but may get a little confusing after a while. What I mean is, the "kensho love" for two popular wrestlers (say Asa vs takamisakari) is obvious, but trying to work out which of the two is getting the love would be quite interesting. That is, which kensho sponsors are staying with which wrestlers throughout and which sponsors are just picking big matches to get their plug in? Way too difficult to work out without detailed video analysis but it is food for thought.
Zentoryu Posted July 8, 2004 Author Posted July 8, 2004 (edited) Zentoryu,Thanks for this information. I take it you get it from the japanese press which does the accumulation day by day? The info does indeed come from a Japanese source, namely Nikkan Sports. They provide a list of the top 10 kensho winners in the basho, which is updated daily. I don't read much Japanese, but I have become pretty good at recognizing the shikona of each rikishi in kanji. So it's a simple matter of translating the top 10 list every day. Given the discussion about "kensho love" that was developing. I think it would be interesting to look at the kensho given for each match to work out where the love really is. That is reasonably easy in the first few days but may get a little confusing after a while. It is hard to tell aside from the obvious ones. But as I stated above, Buyuzan seems to a popular rikishi this basho. He's had kensho placed on almost all of his bouts. Here's a list of all the total amount of kensho won this year by the rikishi currently in Makuuchi (the numbers are as of the start of the Nagoya tournament). Maybe something can be gleaned from it... Edited July 8, 2004 by Zentoryu
Zentoryu Posted July 10, 2004 Author Posted July 10, 2004 After Day 7.... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 74 4,070,000 Tochiazuma 43 2,365,000 Takamisakari 29 1,595,000 Chiyotaikai 25 1,375,000 Kaio 12 660,000 Kokkai 10 550,000 Buyuzan 10 550,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Kyokutenho 8 440,000 Dejima 8 440,000 Takekaze 8 440,000 Dejima appears on the list for the first time thanks to his win over Takamisakari the other day.
Mark Buckton Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 (edited) Tochiazuma 2,365,000 This will certainly help with the new stable as will Yoshiazuma's rise to Juryo in Sept. Interesting that Kaio is nowhere near the top. Not out of defeat - out of lack of willing sponsors for his bouts I'd say. Edited July 10, 2004 by Adachinoryu
Jakusotsu Posted July 10, 2004 Posted July 10, 2004 Interesting that Kaio is nowhere near the top. Not out of defeat - out of lack of willing sponsors for his bouts I'd say. Indeed! Only one kensho against Kyokushuzan yesterday and today two against Tamanoshima - where's his popularity gone? Or is he the first victim of the Kyokai's strive to spread the sponsors more evenly?
QttP Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 Indeed! Only one kensho against Kyokushuzan yesterday and today two against Tamanoshima - where's his popularity gone? Or is he the first victim of the Kyokai's strive to spread the sponsors more evenly? If "more evenly" means give everything to Asashoryu and Takamisakari, I'd say yes.
Faustonowaka Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 I expect to see some kensho for Miyabiyama very soon...
Zentoryu Posted July 11, 2004 Author Posted July 11, 2004 After Day 8... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 89 4,895,000 Tochiazuma 51 2,805,000 Takamisakari 36 1,980,000 Chiyotaikai 31 1,705,000 Kaio 13 715,000 Buyuzan 12 660,000 Kokkai 10 550,000 Kotomitsuki 9 495,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Kyokutenho 8 440,000 Dejima 8 440,000 Takekaze 8 440,000 Who'd have thought Buyuzan would be giving Kaio a run for his money?
Asashosakari Posted July 11, 2004 Posted July 11, 2004 Who'd have thought Buyuzan would be giving Kaio a run for his money? Even worse...who (among rikishi) would have thought that beating Buyuzan could prove more lucrative than beating Kaio? (Whatever above, it is funny...) I just realized that Buuuuyuuuuuzan won 4 kensho against Otsukasa (of all people) on Day 7...the mind boggles. Thanks for the continued updates! :-)
Naganoyama Posted July 12, 2004 Posted July 12, 2004 After Day 8... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 89 4,895,000 Tochiazuma 51 2,805,000 Takamisakari 36 1,980,000 Chiyotaikai 31 1,705,000 Kaio 13 715,000 Buyuzan 12 660,000 Kokkai 10 550,000 Kotomitsuki 9 495,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Kyokutenho 8 440,000 Dejima 8 440,000 Takekaze 8 440,000 Who'd have thought Buyuzan would be giving Kaio a run for his money? Well he is an Aichi man. Kotomitsuki is also up there but has only 3 wins so far of course.
Zentoryu Posted July 12, 2004 Author Posted July 12, 2004 My surprise came more from the lack of Kensho being placed on Kaio's bouts.
Zentoryu Posted July 12, 2004 Author Posted July 12, 2004 And here is the day 9 update... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 100 5,500,000 Tochiazuma 51 2,805,000 Takamisakari 36 1,980,000 Chiyotaikai 33 1,815,000 Kaio 13 715,000 Musoyama 13 715,000 Buyuzan 13 715,000 Kokkai 10 550,000 Kotomitsuki 9 495,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Shoryu reaches 100 on day 9, one more kensho than he had on day 9 of last basho. Musoyama jumps into the top 10 thanks to the win over Tochiazuma.
Zentoryu Posted July 13, 2004 Author Posted July 13, 2004 After Day 10... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 111 6,105,000 Tochiazuma 62 3,410,000 Takamisakari 36 1,980,000 Chiyotaikai 33 1,815,000 Kaio 14 770,000 Buyuzan 14 770,000 Musoyama 13 715,000 Asasekiryu 12 660,000 Kokkai 10 550,000 Kotomitsuki 9 495,000 Hakuho 9 495,000 Buyuzan continues to keep pace with Kaio, while Asasekiryu found out first hand just how lucrative a win over Takamisakari can be.
Zentoryu Posted July 14, 2004 Author Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) After Day 11... Rikishi Edited July 14, 2004 by Zentoryu
Zentoryu Posted July 15, 2004 Author Posted July 15, 2004 (edited) After Day 12... Rikishi Edited July 15, 2004 by Zentoryu
Zentoryu Posted July 16, 2004 Author Posted July 16, 2004 After Day 13... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 129 7,095,000 Tochiazuma 79 4,345,000 Takamisakari 46 2,530,000 Chiyotaikai 37 2,035,000 Kaio 32 1,760,000 Wakanosato 23 1,265,000 Kotomitsuki 19 1,045,000 Hakuho 16 880,000 Buyuzan 15 825,000 Futeno 15 825,000 No less than 17 kensho were placed on the bout between Asashoryu and Musoyama. Kotomitsuki earned 9 kensho for defeating Tochiazuma. Kaio's win over Chiyotaikai finally started him moving up the kensho standings. It will be interesting to see how many kensho the sponsers place on his day 14 bout with Musoyama, given how little interest they've shown in Kaio's matches to this point.
Zentoryu Posted July 17, 2004 Author Posted July 17, 2004 Heading into Senshuraku... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 159 8,745,000 Tochiazuma 89 4,895,000 Takamisakari 55 3,025,000 Chiyotaikai 37 2,035,000 Kaio 33 1,815,000 Wakanosato 24 1,320,000 Kotomitsuki 19 1,045,000 Asasekiryu 19 1,045,000 Hakuho 16 880,000 Buyuzan 15 825,000 Futeno 15 825,000 Kaio's lack of popularity with the sponsers this basho was never more evident than on day 14 as his bout with fellow Ozeki Musoyama had only 1 kensho placed on it. By comparison, the match between Hakuho and Asasekiryu had 7 kensho, Tochiazuma vs. Miyabiyama had 10, and the Yokozuna vs. Chiyotaikai had an incredible 30.
QttP Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 the Yokozuna vs. Chiyotaikai had an incredible 30. People keep putting money on this punk when he fights Asashoryu, and he keeps giving that money away. My dad is a teacher (college math). Most of his students (past and present) consider him the best teacher they ever had. I guess he really has some unique gift of teaching, which I seem to have inherited only a small part of. After today's bout he said that he needs to fly to Japan to teach Chiyotaikai personally how not to be a loser. And I said that it's too late, I reckon.
Mark Buckton Posted July 17, 2004 Posted July 17, 2004 And I said that it's too late, I reckon. Never a truer word spoken by Q. Tochiazuma's money will go a long long way to making Tamanoi a little bit of a better heya now. (as will Yoshiazuma making sekitori status today :-P )
Zentoryu Posted July 18, 2004 Author Posted July 18, 2004 And the final numbers for this basho... Rikishi # Yen Asashoryu 193 10,615,000 Tochiazuma 89 4,895,000 Takamisakari 64 3,520,000 Chiyotaikai 37 2,035,000 Kaio 33 1,815,000 Wakanosato 24 1,320,000 Hakuho 23 1,265,000 Kotomitsuki 20 1,100,000 Asasekiryu 19 1,045,000 Buyuzan 18 990,000 Asashoryu vs. Kaio had 34 kensho banners. Asa finishes the basho just 7 short of 200. It's only the second time this year he failed to reach that mark. But he can console himself with the 10,000,000 yen extra he picked up for winning the Makuuchi Yusho, on top of the 10,615,000 for his kensho. (Blushing...) Toyozakura will get a nifty 2,000,000 yen for his sansho prize.
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