Portraits on the walls of the Kokugikan

[Kaiomitsuki]

Hello ;)

What is the current number of portraits on the walls of Kokugikan ? 32 or 31 ? There were no winners in March 2011.

Edited November 21, 2014 by Kaiomitsuki

[Jakusotsu]

You don't really expect them to further advertise that crisis for half a decade by leaving one spot blank, do you?

[krindel]

They could have put one of Kasuganishiki in the empty spot...

[Gernobono]

They could have put one of Kasuganishiki in the empty spot...

they had to ask him, if this was ok, tried to call him, but he does not have a cellhone anymore

[Kaiomitsuki]

Thanks for your answer...

My question was more mathematical than.... but sorry I'm stupid with the mathematics (Wearing a paperbag...) !!!

You are right. No winner for the Haru 2011, so only the portrait of the winner of the Hatsu 2011 was presented before the Natsu 2011 (instead of the portrait of the winner of the Aki 2005).

And of course no spot blanck in the wall lol

Which wrestler was present most often on the walls of the Kokugikan at the same time ?

Edited November 21, 2014 by Kaiomitsuki

[krindel]

Thanks for your answer...

My question was more mathematical than.... but sorry I'm stupid with the mathematics (Wearing a paperbag...) !!!

You are right. No winner for the Haru 2011, so only the portrait of the winner of the Hatsu 2011 was presented before the Natsu 2011 (instead of the portrait of the winner of the Aki 2005).

And of course no spot blanck in the wall lol

Which wrestler was present most often on the walls of the Kokugikan at the same time ?

Well, from what I can see from the db, if the question is posed as "who has won the most tournaments in a 32 - basho time span", it appears as its a tie between Taiho, Chiyonofuji, Asashoryu and Hakuho at 21 each, followed by Kitanoumi / Takanohana with 17... Interestingly, though, if Hakuho wins this one, he'll go to 22 of the last 32...

Of course i have no idea if that translates correctly to the actual portraits, its possible that circumstances are different with regard to them.

Edit: Found this very interesting article and tried to adjust the numbers for the information therein... So, if prior to 1985 there were 36 instead of 32 portraits, and since they only get put up/down in pairs during the Tokyo basho, (and assuming I've not made a miscalculation somewhere) the numbers are adjusted as follows:

Taiho -> 23 (at the old Kokugikan, with 36 portraits hanging)

Hakuho -> 21

Asashoryu -> 21

Chiyonofuji -> 20 (adjusted for the fact that portraits go up and down in pairs)

Kitanoumi -> 18 (also at the old Kokugikan)

Takanohana -> 17

Edited November 21, 2014 by krindel

[Asashosakari]

They actually skipped two tournaments - no basho in Haru 2011, and no yusho picture produced for Natsu 2011:

The Mainichi Shimbun company has announced that they won't be funding/producing the customary yusho-gaku picture as the May tournament is not a hon-basho. The unveiling of Hakuho's January picture scheduled for May 7 has also been cancelled, which I take to mean they're going to do the January and July pictures together ahead of Aki basho instead.

[yorikiried by fate]

So, technically, Hakuho stands at 30 yusho? As the TET was not a hon-basho? Didn't think about it before.

[Asashosakari]

No, the Kyokai considers it an official victory anyway...basically, I suppose it's a yusho, just not a honbasho yusho.

[krindel]

They actually skipped two tournaments - no basho in Haru 2011, and no yusho picture produced for Natsu 2011:

The Mainichi Shimbun company has announced that they won't be funding/producing the customary yusho-gaku picture as the May tournament is not a hon-basho. The unveiling of Hakuho's January picture scheduled for May 7 has also been cancelled, which I take to mean they're going to do the January and July pictures together ahead of Aki basho instead.

Interesting... So that would mean right now the oldest portraits at the Kokugikan are from Haru and Hatsu 2009?

In that case, Hakuho has never had more than 20 portraits hanging, and will need to win this one to go to 21.

[Kaiomitsuki]

They actually skipped two tournaments - no basho in Haru 2011, and no yusho picture produced for Natsu 2011:

Well, from what I can see from the db, if the question is posed as "who has won the most tournaments in a 32 - basho time span", it appears as its a tie between Taiho, Chiyonofuji, Asashoryu and Hakuho at 21 each, followed by Kitanoumi / Takanohana with 17... Interestingly, though, if Hakuho wins this one, he'll go to 22 of the last 32...

Of course i have no idea if that translates correctly to the actual portraits, its possible that circumstances are different with regard to them.

Edit: Found this very interesting article and tried to adjust the numbers for the information therein... So, if prior to 1985 there were 36 instead of 32 portraits, and since they only get put up/down in pairs during the Tokyo basho, (and assuming I've not made a miscalculation somewhere) the numbers are adjusted as follows:

Taiho -> 23 (at the old Kokugikan, with 36 portraits hanging)

Hakuho -> 21

Asashoryu -> 21

Chiyonofuji -> 20 (adjusted for the fact that portraits go up and down in pairs)

Kitanoumi -> 18 (also at the old Kokugikan)

Takanohana -> 17

Thank you for the answers ;)

I didn't know that before 1985 It was 36 Portraits (in the old Kokugikan)...

So you are right Taiho is the master of the Portraits with 23 at the same time

Asashoryu is second with 21 from september 2007 to january 2008)

Chiyonofuji is third with 20 from january 1990 to september 1990

Hakuho is third too... and as you write If he wins this Basho, there will be 21 portraits in january 2015 ;)

[ALAKTORN]

So, technically, Hakuho stands at 30 yusho? As the TET was not a hon-basho? Didn't think about it before.

What’s TET?

[yorikiried by fate]

The Technical Examination Tournament right after the dropped basho. Re: Yaocho-by-Mobile-Scandal.

[Asameshimae]

I often get into conversations with people (read Japanese people) about the portraits on the wall when I go to the Kokugikan. One of us mentions that it is a bit sad that there is only one Japanese up there, Tochiazuma, and now that he is gone, there are no Japanese up there. Then I take a minute to point out that yes, there is one Japanese up there - Kyokutenho. They start to correct me, thinking maybe I don't know much about sumo. I tell them, Tenho has been here since he was sixteen, was in the very first group of Mongols to come here for sumo, has taken Japanese citizenship, has a Japanese wife and kids - he's Japanese. And by and large I get enthusiastic agreements. :)

[krindel]

I often get into conversations with people (read Japanese people) about the portraits on the wall when I go to the Kokugikan. One of us mentions that it is a bit sad that there is only one Japanese up there, Tochiazuma, and now that he is gone, there are no Japanese up there. Then I take a minute to point out that yes, there is one Japanese up there - Kyokutenho. They start to correct me, thinking maybe I don't know much about sumo. I tell them, Tenho has been here since he was sixteen, was in the very first group of Mongols to come here for sumo, has taken Japanese citizenship, has a Japanese wife and kids - he's Japanese. And by and large I get enthusiastic agreements. :)

... and he beat Japanese born Tochiozan in a playoff in the closest a Japanese-born rikishi has come to replacing that Tochiazuma portrait up there...

[Asameshimae]

Good point. Glad to be reminded of that. :)

[Akinomaki]

Hakuho today has pulled even with top Asashoryu at 21 portraits in this Ryogoku kokugikan (which has 32)
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2015/01/11/kiji/K20150111009607990.html
yesterday in front to the kokugikan





ready to go up

Edited January 11, 2015 by Akinomaki

[kuroimori]

A few more of Hak's portraits are coming up this year I guess, maybe time to rename the stadium

Hakuhogikan ;-)