Ack! Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I find the data analysis on this forum especially interesting. I've been watching the banzuke for rikishi who are rapidly climbing. I find it exciting to see who is coming up through the ranks, so I thought I'd put a list together to share. It's pretty basic and not up to the level of different analyses such as Ashikawasu's The Wall and Asashosakari's Heisei Hopefuls, but maybe I'll work on it some more if there is interest. Qualifiers for this list must be at a personal best rank and have a nearly perfect record for the current basho. Ichinojo M10 9-1 Iwasaki Ms2 5-0 Onosho Ms8 4-1 Takatoshi Ms9 4-1 Abiko Ms42 5-0 Tomisakae Ms46 4-1 Kotaro Sd27 4-1 Shiba Sd29 5-0 Shodai Sd48 4-1 Takagi Sd54 5-0 Nagao Sd63 4-1 Takayoshitoshi Sd74 4-1 Shuji Sd89 4-1 Ishii Jd40 5-0 Yuma Jd70 4-1 Sadahikari Jd85 4-1 Edited to give credit where credit is due. :-) Edited September 23, 2014 by Ack! 1
Monnodo Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 I share your oppinion about Nagao, he was quite impressive to me so far. Does he have a sumo background?
Asashosakari Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) I share your oppinion about Nagao, he was quite impressive to me so far. Does he have a sumo background? Yep. His older brother also came in with fairly high expectations, but has largely failed to live up to them. Edit: "The Wall" isn't my work, by the way. :-) Edited September 23, 2014 by Asashosakari
Ack! Posted September 23, 2014 Author Posted September 23, 2014 Edit: "The Wall" isn't my work, by the way. :-) Apologies to Ashikawasu for the unintended slight. I have a problem on online forums keeping track of exactly who posts what sometimes. I should have referenced your Promotion/Demotion discussion -- I knew there were two topics that you analyzed.
krindel Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 I like the idea for the thread very much :) However, if I get the point of the thread correctly, I wouldn't characterize Iwasaki as a quick climber... He's very much of the "slow and steady" rise pattern, especially given his collegiate background and his age of 25. After his first few basho when he and stablemate Hamaguchi were indeed climbing fast, he slowed down to 4-3s mostly for a year and a half, and its only been a couple of basho now that he's looking good again. Same, more or less, goes for Takatoshi... If your goal is to identify people climbing up the banzuke fast, maybe the criteria could use some adjustment? Like taking into account the last few basho to try to estimate the "curve" of their climb?
chishafuwaku Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Tomisakae Ms46 4-1 : 39 basho, 22 years and only Makushita , slow slow slow climber... Takatoshi Ms9 4-1 : 34 basho, 24 years and only Makushita , slow slow climber... chishafuwaku
Kotomikey Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 This is an interesting subject. Than you for sharing.
Ack! Posted September 24, 2014 Author Posted September 24, 2014 I like the idea for the thread very much :) However, if I get the point of the thread correctly, I wouldn't characterize Iwasaki as a quick climber... He's very much of the "slow and steady" rise pattern, especially given his collegiate background and his age of 25. After his first few basho when he and stablemate Hamaguchi were indeed climbing fast, he slowed down to 4-3s mostly for a year and a half, and its only been a couple of basho now that he's looking good again. Same, more or less, goes for Takatoshi... If your goal is to identify people climbing up the banzuke fast, maybe the criteria could use some adjustment? Like taking into account the last few basho to try to estimate the "curve" of their climb? Tomisakae Ms46 4-1 : 39 basho, 22 years and only Makushita , slow slow slow climber... Takatoshi Ms9 4-1 : 34 basho, 24 years and only Makushita , slow slow climber... chishafuwaku Thanks for the feedback! Perhaps I should better define the purpose of this thread. My simple selection criteria does not allow to define long-term trends. Noting that the climb for most rikishi comes in fits and starts, I'm looking to identify who is making a run and creating a splash at this moment. There's a lot of data in the Heisei Hopefuls thread to see who is doing well over the longer term. A good selection criteria could pull out the better performers from that listing, but seeing how even the best newcomers climb more quickly in the lower divisions and then slow down, I'm uncertain of how to discriminate to pull out the top sustained performers spread across all the ranks unless multiple criteria are used. Perhaps the top 2 or 3 climbers in each division, based on their improvement over the last 6 bashos?
Ack! Posted September 30, 2014 Author Posted September 30, 2014 Here’s an update to my list of up-and-comers who have distinguished themselves this basho: Ichinojo M10 13-2 JSK Iwasaki Ms2 6-1 Onosho Ms8 5-2 Takatoshi Ms9 5-2 Abiko Ms42 7-0 Y Tomisakae Ms46 4-3 Kotaro Sd27 6-1 Shiba Sd29 6-1 Shodai Sd48 6-1 Takagi Sd54 7-0 Y Nagao Sd63 5-2 Takayoshitoshi Sd74 6-1 Shuji Sd89 5-2 Ishii Jd40 5-2 Yuma Jd70 4-3 Sadahikari Jd82 6-1 Please refer to The Wall for a different assessment of Onosho’s bansuke climb. Crossing him off my list here doesn’t means that he isn’t worthy of note, just that his performance in this basho was not particularly outstanding. Tomisakae dropped off after going 4-1, losing his last two. Similarly Yuma went 4-0 and then 0-3 for his last 3 bouts. On a different note, Tochinoshin’s “rehab tour” success brings to mind two others who are making the post-injury banzuke climb: (1) former maegashira Ryuden, who was back in action all the way down in Jonokuchi after a long absence, earning the yusho with a 7-0 record. (2) Former sekitori Chiyoarashi was maybe a bit less spectacular winning 6 bouts in a row in Makushita in his fourth tournament since returning from a three-tourney absence, only losing to yusho winner Abiko in his final bout.
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