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torquato Komusubi

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Is it just my impression or is the Fukuoka-audience more lively and louder than at other places? A lot of shouting and yelling I think.

Shortly before the Osunaarashi bout someone in the audience was shouting something and the crowd broke out in laughter. Did someone understand what this guy was shouting?

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Akinomaki Dai-yokozuna

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Shortly before the Osunaarashi bout someone in the audience was shouting something and the crowd broke out in laughter. Did someone understand what this guy was shouting?

Someone shouted: “Hurl him to Egypt!” Tamaasuka got furious about it: “He has not even an oicho topknot and I'm in my 16th year” and showed him his pride.

http://www.daily.co.jp/newsflash/general/2013/11/11/0006489786.shtml

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Masumasumasu Sekiwake

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Someone shouted: Hurl him to Egypt! Tamaasuka got furious about it: He has not even an oicho topknot and I'm in my 16th year and showed him his pride.

Hurl who to Egypt? Maybe the spectator wanted O-aarashi to be hurled.

Masumasumasu Sekiwake

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Local hope Kotoshogiku has no dislocation of fracture, apparently he hurt the left pectoralis major muscle. Whether he appears on day 3 will be decided in the morning, depending on to what extent it is ruptured.

The poor guy was crying as reporters gathered around to ask about his injury.

Shouldn't rikishi be as limber in the upper body as they are in the lower?

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Someone shouted: “Hurl him to Egypt!” Tamaasuka got furious about it: “He has not even an oicho topknot and I'm in my 16th year” and showed him his pride.

http://www.daily.co.jp/newsflash/general/2013/11/11/0006489786.shtml

Thanks.

The article gives エジプトまで投げ飛ばせ. But that's apparently not the exact wording. I now listened to it in my recording again and the guy clearly says アフリカまで "to Africa". Not really an issue, I know.

I'm not sure if 飛ばせ is correct either. In my ears it sounds slightly different. Maybe a different wordform... Mmmmhhh...?????

Just curious since I'm learning Japanese (aka trying to).

Hurl who to Egypt? Maybe the spectator wanted O-aarashi to be hurled.

Good question. At first I understood it this way. Didn't think about the other possibility. But now I think it's rather Osunaarashi who should throw Tamaasuka.

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This basho promises to be better than the last one. In Harumafuji and Kisenosato we have what I believe to be another two yusho contenders. Goeido doesn't look bad either, but Yusho hopes for now I think he doesn't have much though. Kakuryu has already shown how good he is at the egde, and how this strategy can get him wins, but sometimes I wonder if his sidestepping is always the best strategy. Today he lost after abandoning what could have been tsuppari exchange with Okinoumi to fall back on those skills.

Osunaarashi will need more than his (great) power to excell at this level and he better learn that quickly. It took just a couple of battered veterans to show us that.

Wakanosato has nothing left in the tank, regrettably.

Asashosakari Dai-yokozuna

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Apparently you did not understand my point. It is simple IMHO. The last thing I said in my original post is "the tournaments were more interesting with Asashoryu in them." I was not trying to imply that Asashoryu was going to win 10 more yusho or even one more. He might not have won any more before old age got the best of him and he would have had to retire. We will never know though because he was an idiot and had to retire. Are you able to agree that the tournaments were more interested with him in them? I have a feeling the answer will be no. :-(

Looks like crossed wires there. :-) I was mainly talking about Harry's claim that Asashoryu would have made the tournaments more interesting by playing a role in the yusho races. I agree that any yokozuna makes a basho more interesting just by being there (which is why I'm happy to have Harumafuji around right now), and I'll also agree that some rikishi in general make a basho more interesting just by being there (regardless of whether they're yokozuna; guys like Baruto or Terao fall into that area as well).

Though the problem with the "more interesting by being there" aspect is that yokozuna decline phases typically include plenty of kyujo, so I'm not sure how much of a role Asashoryu would have played that way either. Nobody will be able to remember much of anything from the last year that Musashimaru was "active", for instance.

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Apparently you did not understand my point. It is simple IMHO. The last thing I said in my original post is "the tournaments were more interesting with Asashoryu in them." I was not trying to imply that Asashoryu was going to win 10 more yusho or even one more. He might not have won any more before old age got the best of him and he would have had to retire. We will never know though because he was an idiot and had to retire. Are you able to agree that the tournaments were more interested with him in them? I have a feeling the answer will be no. :-(

Looks like crossed wires there. :-) I was mainly talking about Harry's claim that Asashoryu would have made the tournaments more interesting by playing a role in the yusho races. I agree that any yokozuna makes a basho more interesting just by being there (which is why I'm happy to have Harumafuji around right now), and I'll also agree that some rikishi in general make a basho more interesting just by being there (regardless of whether they're yokozuna; guys like Baruto or Terao fall into that area as well).

Though the problem with the "more interesting by being there" aspect is that yokozuna decline phases typically include plenty of kyujo, so I'm not sure how much of a role Asashoryu would have played that way either. Nobody will be able to remember much of anything from the last year that Musashimaru was "active", for instance.

While I would agree that when Asashoryu "retired" in 2010 he had already started his "decline" phase, it's also important to remember that he won the yusho in two of his final three basho. Not a bad "decline" as things go. In January 2010 Hakuho was clearly the best rikishi overall by a lot. Likewise, however, Asashoryu was also clearly the second best rikishi -- by a lot. At the time of his forced retirement (and I'm not casting aspersions here, as Asashoryu did more to force his own retirement than anyone else) one of the oyakata stated something to the effect that "we know this is going to hurt sumo for three years, but it's a price that has to be paid."

In fact, the next three years sumo did suffer from the lack of competition. In part this was because Asashoryu was prematurely out of sumo, in part because no one stepped up to fill his place. At the time it seemed that Baruto was the most likely to, but overall his career was a disappointment. Both Harumafuji and Kisenosato took about two years to step up their game. There just wasn't anyone besides Hakuho. Maybe there wouldn't have been if Asashoryu had remained active -- there is no way to know, of course. Some yokozuna win a lot of basho during their decline phase, some win none, some are hard pressed to even stay healthy. And of course "decline" phase can cover a lot of area. In a sense, Hakuho is already in his decline phase, as I doubt anyone would argue that Hakuho at the end of 2013 is as overpowering a rikishi as he was in 2010 or 2011.

None of this takes anything away from Hakuho. As in any sport, all a champion can do is beat those he comes up against. Hakuho has done this time and time again. He has a finesse and precision that Asashoryu never possessed (although he also lacks some of Asashoryu's savage grandeur).

Akinomaki Dai-yokozuna

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Day 2: 3417 spectators

Kotoshogiku likely won't have a surgery. Sadogatake-oyakata: “He can move his arm up and down, so it 's not ruptured that much. If not that serious he may start earlier than the 3 months.”

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131112/sum13111209080001-n1.html

Kisenosato again seems a disappointment this basho – Kotooshu looks sure to drop from ozeki – hopefully I'm wrong again with this.

Day 1:

Chiyotairyu: “If it gets detached again I just have another operation. I can see my opponent, it's OK.”

Wakanosato: “Going home without doing the dohyo-iri at the time gives me a desolate feeling.”

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Terunofuji and Kagamio look ready to make the next step. I think Takanoiwa will finally do it too, even after a mediocre start.

Also, I am glad to see Daido's nosedive finally end :)

Morty Sekiwake

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Chiyotairyu has looked pretty insipid the last few bashos, but some major surgery, limited vision and not much keiko leading up to this one seems to have done the trick.

Akinomaki Dai-yokozuna

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Now more sure than ever to drop:

Kotooshu injured his left shoulder when he fell from the dohyo, likely a subluxation of the shoulder joint. It is very painful. As an emergency measure the loose shoulder was put back into place. Kyujo or not is decided in the morning. On his way to the hospital:

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999670.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311120026.html

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krindel Sekiwake

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Now more sure than ever to drop:

Kotooshu injured his left shoulder when he fell from the dohyo, likely a subluxation of the shoulder joint. As an emergency measure the loose shoulder was put back into place. It is very painful. Kyujo or not is decided in the morning. On his way to the hospital:

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2013/11/12/kiji/K20131112006999670.html

http://www.asahi.com/articles/SEB201311120026.html

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Wow... Sounds like his constant kadobans have finally caught up with him...

And his performance in the last 3 years doesn't give much hope that a 10 win return to Ozeki is very possible. Although the fact that his only double digit wins in the last three years have been in the three Hatsu basho might give him some hope.

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