Upset day!

[Kashunowaka]

When was the last time all yokozuna and ozeki lost on the same day? Must have been a while.

Edit: 2003 Hatsu, day 9 doesn't count. (Blinking...)

Edited May 19, 2004 by Kashunowaka

[Zingo]

What happened Hatsu 2003, day 9?

[Exil]

A wild guess: "all yokozuna and ozeki lost on the same day"? (Blinking...)

[Zuikakuyama]

A wild guess: "all yokozuna and ozeki lost on the same day"? (Blinking...)

Actually, only the Ozekis "lost". The yokozunas are either intai or kyujo.

How about a different question, "all yokozuna and ozeki on the banzuke lost (not kyujo, intai or fusensho)."

[Tokimori]

You forgot about Tochiazuma...

[Kashunowaka]

Great avatar, Zingo!

2003.01 had 2 yokozuna and 5 ozeki on the banzuke, but only 2 ozeki remained by day 9 (Asashoryu and Musoyama).

OK, I'll rephrase the question: When was the last time none of the yokozuna/ozeki won, with at least 3 of them fighting?

I tried to find the answer by going back one basho at a time, but gave up somewhere in 2000 ...

Zuikakuyama's question can be formulated as "all yokozuna and ozeki fought and lost". When did that happen?

[Zingo]

Sorry for the ignorance of not looking up that myself, but I was on my way to a meeting....

Kashunowaka: Thanks for the compliment... Found him in a pile of clipart. Thought he looked cute, even though I can't really argue any obvious sumo connection.

[Asashosakari]

OK, I'll rephrase the question: When was the last time none of the yokozuna/ozeki won, with at least 3 of them fighting?

How about Day 11 of Aki 1999?

[Naganoyama]

In the Haru Basho bout between Asashoryu and Kyokutenho, Shoryu attempted a tsuri move against Tenho and failed (possibly due to the length of Tenho's legs and the extra height which the lift therefore called for).

I wondered at the time whether Tenho would see that a tsuridashi might be possible against Shoryu. I was too embarrassed to suggest it at the time, because it seemed too stupid for words. Well Tenho obviously didn't think it was stupid!

It must be pleasant the for other rikishi, particularly Kotomitsuki, who is by some way Shoryu's favourite target for tsuri moves, to see him taking his own medicine.

[Zuikakuyama]

It must be pleasant the for other rikishi, particularly Kotomitsuki, who is by some way Shoryu's favourite target for tsuri moves, to see him taking his own medicine.

Hear hear.

[aderechelsea]

i think Mickey should start being happy when he actually performs such kimarite to Asa by himself.......

great win by Tenho !!!!!

(Applauding...)

[Kaikitsune Makoto]

Shoryu tried uwatenage and Tenho just waited for that. Having a good right hand outside grip Tenho waited for Shoryu's inevitable uwatenage/kakenage attempt, was ready for it and used Shoryu's throwing attempt to cease a left hand inside grip, immediately followed with tsuri-move and Shoryu was finished. Very dominating sumo by Tenho and brilliant tactical eye + execution of the tsuri.

Since Shoryu tried a throw with right uwate, his right side opened up and this was the key element. As Tenho had perfect stance and defense against the move, Shoryu made himself very vulnerable by revealing his side which Tenho grapped during the motion. Tenho's tsuri is very strong when he gets that grip all of a sudden. Very good win for one of the many disappointing rikishi this basho (Miya, Nada, Tenho have all been worse than expected)

Taikai and Muso were outmuscled while KaioU outmuscled himself. Wakanosato's pull looked very ill-advised at first but carried through nevertheless. Good win for Waka and still chance for KaioU to be in yusho race. Hokutoriki still has Kotomitsuki and Kyokutenho (especially now!) against whom tsuki-dominance is not an easy thing to do and both destroy Hoku easily if they get close.

[Yoavoshimaru]

Hokutoriki still has Kotomitsuki and Kyokutenho (especially now!) against whom tsuki-dominance is not an easy thing to do and both destroy Hoku easily if they get close.

Yup yup. I was surprised at first when I saw the ISP bout for today, Hoku - Mickey, but after some investigation I understand the choice. Kudos to Guessbusters, Inc. (Applauding...)

[Kashunowaka]

OK, I'll rephrase the question: When was the last time none of the yokozuna/ozeki won, with at least 3 of them fighting?

How about Day 11 of Aki 1999?

Good enough for me. A long time ago!

[Kashunowaka]

Hokutoriki still has Kotomitsuki and Kyokutenho (especially now!) against whom tsuki-dominance is not an easy thing to do and both destroy Hoku easily if they get close.

Yup yup. I was surprised at first when I saw the ISP bout for today, Hoku - Mickey, but after some investigation I understand the choice. Kudos to Guessbusters, Inc. (Neener, neener...)

(Clapping wildly...) ... why were you surprised at first? Did you have a clear favourite?

[Yoavoshimaru]

I don't know why I was surprised, I just was instantaneously (Clapping wildly...)

[Asashosakari]

I doubt too many people will be interested, but in the interest of enhancing the worldwide supply of mildly useful statistics, the following should be the complete list of days (in Heisei) on which all competing Yokozuna and Ozeki lost their bouts. I'm saying "mildly useful" instead of "mostly useless" because it will actually answer Zuikakuyama's question. :-P

Basho	Day	losing Yokozuna/Ozeki	absent Yokozuna/Ozeki
1992.01	7	2 - Oe Konishiki, Ow Kirishima	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Yw Asahifuji
1992.05	5	1 - Oe Konishiki	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Ow Kirishima
1992.05	6	1 - Oe Konishiki	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Ow Kirishima
1992.05	7	1 - Oe Konishiki	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Ow Kirishima
1992.05	8	1 - Oe Konishiki	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Ow Kirishima
1992.05	11	1 - Oe Konishiki	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Ow Kirishima
1992.05	13	1 - Oe Konishiki	2 - Ye Hokutoumi, Ow Kirishima
1992.07	9	2 - O1w Konishiki, O2e Kirishima	1 - O1e Akebono
1992.07	14	2 - O1w Konishiki, O2e Kirishima	1 - O1e Akebono
1992.11	6	2 - O1w Akebono, O2e Kirishima	1 - O1e Konishiki
1993.03	7	3 - Ye Akebono, Oe Takanohana, Ow Konishiki	-
1999.05	8	3 - Y2e Akebono, O1e Musashimaru, O1w Takanonami	3 - Y1e Takanohana, Y1w Wakanohana*, O2w Chiyotaikai
1999.09	11	4 - Y1w Musashimaru, Y2w Wakanohana, O1e Chiyotaikai, O2e Dejima	3 - Y1e Akebono, Y2e Takanohana, O1w Takanonami
2001.09	15	2 - Ye Musashimaru, O2e Musoyama	4 - Yw Takanohana, O1e Kaio, O1w Chiyotaikai, O2w Miyabiyama
2003.01	9	2 - O1e Asashoryu, O1w Musoyama	5 - Ye Musashimaru, Yw Takanohana*, O2e Tochiazuma, O2w Chiyotaikai, O3e Kaio
2004.05	11	4 - Ye Asashoryu, O1e Chiyotaikai, O1w Kaio, O2e Musoyama	1 - O2w Tochiazuma

(* denotes rikishi who went kyujo on that day, i.e. had a bout scheduled but did not actually compete)

Edited December 14, 2004 by Exil

[aderechelsea]

i agree on the uselessness of those stats.......... ;-)

no kidding though......WHERE THE HELL DO YOU FIND THESE STUFF ??????

do you have a huge and totally easy-browsing sumo database ?

are you an expert on internet searching?

are you an alien computer transformed into a person?

(now that i am thinking it ........ noone ever seen you in person......right? :-P )

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:-P

[Doitsuyama]

Hmm, since you find it so totally useless, maybe I should dig in and produce that list back to 1761. :-P

Edited May 19, 2004 by Doitsuyama

[aderechelsea]

Hmm, since you find it so totally useless, maybe I should dig in and produce that list back to 1761. ;-)

I cannot wait ...... :-P

[Guest Akatabi]

Interesting if only to see whether more than 4 yokozuna/ozeki have ever lost on the same day.