Yokozuna promotion chances?

[Jejima]

As well as the excitement of the 'Streak' to follow, there is the other interesting side-subject.... Both Chiyotaikai and Kaio have possibilities of being promoted to Yokozuna after this basho.

But how do you rate their chances?

:-P

[Mark Buckton]

I said nil. One is too old and one too limited (in his moves) readers of this post guess which is which.

:-P

Edited May 8, 2004 by Adachinoryu

[Kintamayama]

Neither. They both, like my 80 year old neighbor, are known to have problems rising to the occasion.

[tominishiki]

Neither. They both, like my 80 year old neighbor, are known to have problems rising to the occasion.

:-P

[Jesinofuji]

Its possible, but unlikely. I had to vote no to both.

[Fujisan]

Well someone had to vote yes,so Im supporting the Wolf cub all the way.

[aderechelsea]

none .....

[rodarvus]

Neither of them. Chiyotaikai will lose to Kaio on day 14 (as always), and to Asashoryu on day 15 (assuring his third zensho (Enjoying a beer...) ). Kaio will choke against Asashoryu on day 13, going to the floor two nanoseconds after the bout begins (oops, that already happened last basho (Laughing...) )

Now seriously: Though I *really* would like to see Asashoryu winning all of his 15 bouts, I would also like to see Kaio as a Yokozuna, before he retires - and this might well be his last chance at that.

[charliki]

Without injury, Kaio could do it, it would be good. I'll be soon tired of too easy Asa's wins. (Just do not get it...)

[hoshidango]

Without injury, Kaio could do it, it would be good. I'll be soon tired of too easy Asa's wins. (Just do not get it...)

I also see a fair chance of Kaio making it even if not this basho. And yes I might get bored quick if Asa keeps winning(yet I would like to see it happen, too).

Edited May 9, 2004 by hoshidango

[Otokonoyama]

I don't see any of the current sanyaku rikishi making it. None of them seem to have the right mental edge to become yokozuna. They just don't seem hungry enough, or really to believe they can actually beat the other top guys... :-|

These days, oyakata go on big recruiting trips, and try to to convince youngsters to join sumo, not pro-wrestling or baseball or soccer... :-(

No one seems to really want to be a rikishi anymore. Ya gotta have that DRIVE to be a rikishi, to make it to the top... >:-(

Today's Japanese youth is very affluent and pampered. The guys coming from countries where they know hardship, where they have some national pride, where they have a real desire to better themselves...these guys are making waves :-D

Look at the Mongolians, the Eastern Europeans...they want it, they believe they can make it, they go out and bust their ass to do it :-)

[Zenjimoto]

I doubt it will happen. Some things pretty strange would have to go down, IMO :-) Personally, I am not a fan of the "Ozeki+Jun-Yusho+Yusho = Yokozuna" idea, so in a way I almost hope it doesn't arise. I am a firm believer in the consecutive Yusho deal... :-D

[tominishiki]

Without injury, Kaio could do it, it would be good. I'll be soon tired of too easy Asa's wins. (Just do not get it...)

I also see a fair chance of Kaio making it even if not this basho.

Kaio won't do this because he didnt do any serious keiko so I think that he will get a MK this basho 5-10.

[Yoavoshimaru]

Neither. I'll even go a step further and say that if one of them wins the yusho, it still won't be enough (contrary to what Kitanoumi-rijicho has said some time).

[Kashunowaka]

Neither.  I'll even go a step further and say that if one of them wins the yusho, it still won't be enough (contrary to what Kitanoumi-rijicho has said some time).

None of them will win the yusho, but it would be great if either of them did, just to prove you wrong. (Bleh!) :-D

[Otokonoyama]

In a post by Zentoryu in Honbasho Talk, 'Taikai is quoted:

Chiyotaikai (win by hikitaoshi vs Tochinonada)

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"You experience this special feeling on the first day

but somehow I was able to ride over it. When you get

white (win) or black (loss) on Day 1, it's totally

different. As I was able to respond well today, I

think it wasn't too bad at all."

If 'Taikai is happy with a win eked out at the edge by back-pedaling (Blowing up furiously...)

NOT yokozuna mentality ;-)

Chances for promotion: slim to none B-)

[hoshidango]

Neither. I'll even go a step further and say that if one of them wins the yusho, it still won't be enough (contrary to what Kitanoumi-rijicho has said some time).

Yeah, that's another thing. They will need 14-1 or something...

[Gusoyama]

Looks like 85.71% of us were right!

[Mark Buckton]

Looks like 85.71% of us were right!

Ping pong - will be fun now to see the NSK lessen the criteria even further for Kaio and Chiyotaikai.

You know - something like - ample hinkaku :-P , attendance on all 15 days with a convincing kachi-koshi of 8-7 and above (opponent kyujo on day of bout respectfully ignored) - and the determination to never colect kensho envelopes with their left hands - sorted. 3 Yokozuna for Nagoya. ;-)

[Quintalomaru]

Maybe Asashoryu will be the only yokozuna all along his carreer!!!

:-P do u think is it possible?

[Yoavoshimaru]

That doesn't seem likely, but everything is possible I suppose.

I think it's too early to say any of us were right, based on the above reasoning. We won't know until they are both mathematically ruled out of the yusho. For example a 13-2 yusho by either one of them which includes wins over Asashoryu and the other ozeki would lead to much yokozuna debate. I'd be against it of course, but the debate will happen nonetheless :-P

[Kashunowaka]

I think it's too early to say any of us were right, based on the above reasoning.  We won't know until they are both mathematically ruled out of the yusho.  For example a 13-2 yusho by either one of them which includes wins over Asashoryu and the other ozeki would lead to much yokozuna debate.  I'd be against it of course, but the debate will happen nonetheless  :-P

Yes, you are right there: we cannot know whether it is enough or not until it actually happens. I certainly cannot claim to know either; I can only look at past records and promotions. Based on those, I get the impression that it would be very hard to *not* promote an ozeki after two 13+ basho, the first being a jun-yusho, the second being a yusho. If an ozeki isn't promoted in that situation, it would actually mean that the standards for yokozuna promotion have been raised.

[Doitsuyama]

Maybe Asashoryu will be the only yokozuna all along his carreer!!!

B-) do u think is it possible?

Man, you must be REALLY new to Sumo. No offense, but does the name Musashimaru mean something to you? He was Yokozuna along with Asashoryu for a total of no less than five basho. Asashoryu is the sole Yokozuna for only the third basho now...

[Zuikakuyama]

In defense of his assumption, maybe he meant that he could be the only yokozuna to go without ever competing head to head with another yokozuna. B-)

[Pons]

After today's bout, I voted for Kaio..of course, as a newbie I could be wrong ---again.

B-)