hoshidango Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 Someone might have put up this kind of info before, but here is a kimarite stats from 1992-2000 at Makunouchi . Yorikiri ..4619 ..29.48% Oshidashi ..2741 ..17.50% Hatakikomi ..1175 ..7.50% Uwatenage ..1114 ..7.11% Tsukiotoshi ..712 ..4.54% Okuridashi ..652 ..4.16% Yoritaoshi ..617 ..3.94% Hikiotoshi ..584 ..3.73% Shitatenage ..457 ..2.92% Oshidashi ..406 ..2.59% Sukuinage ..403 ..2.57% Tsukidashi ..355 ..2.27% Kotenage ..257 ..1.64% Uwatedashinage ..203 ..1.30% katasukashi ..158 ..1.01% Okuritaoshi ..123 ..0.79% Kimadashi ..110 ..0.70% Kirikaeshi ..101 ..0.64% Tsukitaoshi ..99 ..0.63% Shitatedashinage ..97 ..0.62% Tsuridashi ..85 ..0.54% Shitatehineri ..52 ..0.33% Makiotoshi ..49 ..0.31% Sotogake ..45 ..0.29% Kubinage ..36 ..0.23% Abisetaoshi ..35 ..0.22% Oshitori ..35 ..0.22% Uchimuso ..35 ..0.22% Tottari ..31 ..0.20% Uwatehineri ..29 ..0.19% Komatasukui ..26 ..0.17% Uchigake ..24 ..0.15% Uttchari ..24 ..0.15% others ..177 ..1.13% TOTAL .........15666 Sorry, it is not very easy to look is it? You can check this against your favorite rikishi's kimarites at Sumo Kyokai site. Apperantly there is a trend in an increase of Hikiwazas; Hikiotoshi, Hatakikomi, &Tsukiotoshi as well as Oshidashi. Yoritaoshi & Yorikiri are in decrease. So it seems some yotsu-zumo has been replaced by oshi-zumo at least till 2000. FYI
aderechelsea Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 i don't remember such a post since i came here.So thanks........ :-P not the friendliest format though....... :-)
Mark Buckton Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 23 of these techniques have been used by the Yokozuna in the last 6 tournaments according to the NSK site. 23 in a possible 95 fights!! Here they are. http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/eng/ozumo_meikan/rik...ikishi_100.html or, Yorikiri Oshidashi Shitatenage Sukuinage Tsukidashi Hatakikomi Kotenage Okuridashi Okuritaoshi Sotogake Tsuridashi Tsuriotoshi Uwatedashinage Uwatenage Amiuchi Hikiotoshi Hikkake Katasukashi Kirikaeshi Oshitaoshi Shitatehineri Watashikomi Yoritaoshi or - 23 of 33 listed (others unclear) used by ALL of the Makunouchi sekitori over the years mentioned. (the years Taka and Waka no Hana's, and Akebono were peaking) Another reason he is the best. :-P
rodarvus Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 Someone might have put up this kind of info before, but here is a kimarite stats from 1992-2000 at Makunouchi .Yorikiri ..4619 ..29.48% [... snip ...] Kotenage ..257 ..1.64% [... snip ...] (kind of offtopic to this thread) This thread reminds me of something: As far as I know, Kaio is considered the "Kotenage King". But in the last six bashos, he used this kimarite only once. Did he used this kimarite more in the past (a *lot* more?), or he is considered the kotenage king due to the "quality" of his kotenages? (or maybe power would be the best way to define it)
aderechelsea Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 (or maybe power would be the best way to define it) yeap...... this is it. (Enjoying a beer...)
Yoavoshimaru Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 I'm always very interested in kimarite statistics, and I've found this site superior. Ipponzeoi!
Otokonoyama Posted May 8, 2004 Posted May 8, 2004 Kaio is considered the "Kotenage King". But in the last six bashos, he used this kimarite only once. Did he used this kimarite more in the past (a *lot* more?), or he is considered the kotenage king due to the "quality" of his kotenages? (or maybe power would be the best way to define it) Kaio is the KING of kotenage. Problem is, he's damaged a lot of elbows in the process. Basically, if Kaio gets kotenage on you, if you offer even a little resistance, you're gonna have a busted arm or seriously hurt elbow. These guys don't want to injure each other, don't wanna cause another guy to go kyujo. So, Kaio uses the technique until he injures someone...then he feels bad, and stops for while. Also, you have to have perfect position to use kotenage. Kaio has tried and failed a number of times, leaving him vulnerable to counter-attack. The other rikishi know this is Kaio's killer technique...they're watching for it.
hoshidango Posted May 9, 2004 Author Posted May 9, 2004 23 of these techniques have been used by the Yokozuna in the last 6 tournaments according to the NSK site. 23 in a possible 95 fights!! The guy's a true genius, isn't he? ...flexible, quick on action, balanced strong "ashikoshi"(translated as strong leg work?), versatile, unbelievable fighting spirit, superior motor nerve... I don't know much about "legendary" Takanohana II... Has there been anyone who made you folks feel talented as he is?
Pons Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 (edited) I'm always very interested in kimarite statistics, and I've found this site superior. Edited May 19, 2004 by Pons
Zuikakuyama Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 That Kaio-Maru Ipponzeoi is only a half-Ipponzoei. Kaio didn't really "heave his opponent over his shoulder/hip." Imaging the stress (and the strength needed) of heaving 200kg on your shoulder or hip. (Blinking...)
Kashunowaka Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 Thanks for the link...now I can't wait for an ipponzei kimarite. As you may or may not know, the kimarite site is maintained by our esteemed Rijicho a.k.a. Kaikitsune. He usually posts a run-through twice a year of kimarite stats in makuuchi. Previous postings: 2002: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=97 2003, first half: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=981 2003: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1919
Yoavoshimaru Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 Yeah, I also think the Kaio-Maru ipponzeoi decision was wrong. That wasn't the kimarite, and should have been changed. Looks like Tsuridashi = Atomic Wedgie, huh? Asashoryu is getting close to joining the all-time top 5 users of Tsuridashi.
Golynohana Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 (edited) And what about this one? Nagoya'03 Day 4 Takekaze ipponzeoi Chiyotenzan http://www.banzuke.com/~juryoika/200307/da...Chiyotenzan.asf I think it also wasn't "clear" ipponzeoi... Edited May 19, 2004 by Golynohana
Kashunowaka Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 Asashoryu is getting close to joining the all-time top 5 users of Tsuridashi. *BZZZZZT* Wrong, but thank you for playing anyway! Perhaps you are thinking of tsuriotoshi?
aderechelsea Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 Asashoryu is getting close to joining the all-time top 5 users of Tsuridashi. *BZZZZZT* Wrong, but thank you for playing anyway! Perhaps you are thinking of tsuriotoshi? he he he ..... now you are being mean...... (Clapping wildly...) back to the Kaio-Maru case...... this was definately an "i wish i would see another ipponzeoi in this lifetime" kimarite decision..... (Neener, neener...) (i am sure Kaio didn't intend to throw Maru over his shoulder..... (Punk rocker...) )
Yoavoshimaru Posted May 19, 2004 Posted May 19, 2004 I don't know what I was thinking (Punk rocker...) (Neener, neener...) (Clapping wildly...)
Pons Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Thanks for the link...now I can't wait for an ipponzei kimarite. As you may or may not know, the kimarite site is maintained by our esteemed Rijicho a.k.a. Kaikitsune. He usually posts a run-through twice a year of kimarite stats in makuuchi. Previous postings: 2002: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=97 2003, first half: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=981 2003: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1919 Kashunowaka, Thanks! No, I didn't know about Rijicho a.k.a. Kaikitsune posting all those kimarite sites. I appreciate your re-posting the links. Golynohana, Domo Arrigato! I was going to ask if there was a photo in someone's archives showing the ipponzei kimarite but you did me a better favor...you posted a movie link! Shucks, you guys are really super-nice specially to newbies like me, eh? I owe you and Jonas a glass of ice cold San Miguel beer. (Cheers...)
Golynohana Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 (edited) I owe you and Jonas a glass of ice cold San Miguel beer. (Cheers...) I will spend this summer in USA, so there is a chance to drink this beer together !! :-D (Cheers...) Edited May 20, 2004 by Golynohana
Kashunowaka Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Thanks! No, I didn't know about Rijicho a.k.a. Kaikitsune posting all those kimarite sites. I appreciate your re-posting the links. You are welcome! For completeness sake, here are two more which were posted to the Sumo Mailing List: 2000: http://www.banzuke.com/00-6/msg00335.html 2001: http://www.banzuke.com/02-1/msg00025.html Interesting to see Kyokushuzan's okuritsuriotoshi in 2001 mentioned as "unnecessary". The same thought crossed my mind today when Hakuho won with this rare technique.
aderechelsea Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Interesting to see Kyokushuzan's okuritsuriotoshi in 2001 mentioned as "unnecessary". The same thought crossed my mind today when Hakuho won with this rare technique. Looks a bit disregarding to your opponent but a funny kimarite whatsoever...... i haven't seen it lately and i always like to watch rare kimarite....
Naganoyama Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 Hakuho's okuritsuriotoshi had such a stamp of Asashoryu about it. He could easily just have okuridashi'd him, but had to teach him a lesson too.
Kintamayama Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 (edited) Someone on the kimarite deciding ultra-commitee decided to go ballistic today. A kubihineri AND a kotehineri in a span of three matches. Both matches didn't seem unusual to me.. AFAIK, this is the first ever kotehineri recorded in Makuuchi, and the second kubihineri. I will await the Doctor's professional opinion, of course. Edited May 21, 2004 by Kintamayama
Mark Buckton Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 AFAIK, this is the first ever kotehineri recorded in Makuuchi, Yep - first ever - as far as NHK report.
Zuikakuyama Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 Hakuho's okuritsuriotoshi had such a stamp of Asashoryu about it. He could easily just have okuridashi'd him, but had to teach him a lesson too. That was rather poor sportsmanship, I would say, plus he slammed him down, instead of lifting him out.
Mark Buckton Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 Hakuho's okuritsuriotoshi had such a stamp of Asashoryu about it. He could easily just have okuridashi'd him, but had to teach him a lesson too. That was rather poor sportsmanship, I would say, plus he slammed him down, instead of lifting him out. if this is on yesterday - was explained as being because Mongolian sumo has no dohyo and opponents must be 'put down' to win, so could have lost his head.
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