Jaak Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Well, his first victory! There have been very few 0:15 results. IIRC, 8 ever, none higher than lower maegashira. Worst ozeki results seems to have been Shionoumi, 1951.01: 0-12-3. He did fight next basho.
Vikanohara Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Was pretty premature to jump to that conclusion after only one day, anyway.
Jaak Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 After first day loss and second day win, Kaio has had results as high as 12-3 (November 2010) and as low as 1-3-11 (November 2008). What did his second day win look like - how good is he this time?
Randomitsuki Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 What did his second day win look like - how good is he this time? He steamrolled Toyonoshima out in very short time. Nosh tried a maki-kae at the most inopportune time. Good to see that Kaio can move forward quickly, but maybe it was Toyonoshima's weakness rather than Kaio's strength that did it.
Jaak Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 What did his second day win look like - how good is he this time? Nosh tried a maki-kae at the most inopportune time. Good to see that Kaio can move forward quickly, but maybe it was Toyonoshima's weakness rather than Kaio's strength that did it. For the sake of our premature jumper - was it Toyonoshima
Peterao Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 What did his second day win look like - how good is he this time? Nosh tried a maki-kae at the most inopportune time. Good to see that Kaio can move forward quickly, but maybe it was Toyonoshima's weakness rather than Kaio's strength that did it. For the sake of our premature jumper - was it Toyonoshima
Keishikazawa Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 It looked to me like Toyonoshima's plan of "hit with the shoulder and manage and inside grip" didn't work and he didn't have a back up plan. Kaio just took advantage. Not really Ozeki-sumo though.
Jakusotsu Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) Obviously the former, as an exhaustive investigation has already shown that neither man ever engages in unmotivated sumo. motivated sumo = yaocho ? (Edit: Moti-waited sumo?) Edited May 10, 2011 by Jakusotsu
Kintamayama Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 Obviously the former, as an exhaustive investigation has already shown that neither man ever engages in unmotivated sumo. motivated sumo = yaocho ? (Edit: Moti-waited sumo?) Moti-weighted Sumo, sir.
Otokonoyama Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 A replay or three from several different angles sure would have been nice today. The content and finish of this bout were both unsatisfying.
Jaak Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 It looked to me like Toyonoshima's plan of "hit with the shoulder and manage and inside grip" didn't work and he didn't have a back up plan. Kaio just took advantage. Not really Ozeki-sumo though. Is it really not Komusubi-sumo, though? Toyonoshima
Kuroyama Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 Can Kaio rise on banzuke, considering Kotooshu? Considering Kotooshu, he might have no choice.
Jaak Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Can Kaio rise on banzuke, considering Kotooshu? Considering Kotooshu, he might have no choice. And now Kaio is 2 wins ahead of Kotooshu. Was it this time unmotivated sumo by Kitataiki, wrong call by gyoji and shimpan, or something else?
Doitsuyama Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Was it this time unmotivated sumo by Kitataiki, wrong call by gyoji and shimpan, or something else? It was clearly the fault of the torikumi makers, giving Kaio such an inferior opponent. ... /not really
Kintamayama Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Was it this time unmotivated sumo by Kitataiki, wrong call by gyoji and shimpan, or something else? It looked to me like KaioU cheated. He seemed to wink at Kitataiki, then shift slightly to the left. At the end, they both fell out at the same time, with Kitataiki falling out a bit before him, but not that much, so maybe because of the doubt, I would have called a monoii. And the no bandage on the left foot still looks suspicious to me.
Kintamayama Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Was it this time unmotivated sumo by Kitataiki, wrong call by gyoji and shimpan, or something else? It was clearly the fault of the torikumi makers, giving Kaio such an inferior opponent. ... /not really I agree-why not Hakuhou, who was still unbeaten? Or Meigetsuin?
Asashosakari Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Myogiryu and Matsutani are looking for worthwhile opponents.
Kintamayama Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Myogiryu and Matsutani are looking for worthwhile opponents. FANFARE!!! PREDICTION!!! Miyogiryuu will be Yokozuna. Even--tually, as Manuel used to say.
Asashosakari Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Myogiryu and Matsutani are looking for worthwhile opponents. FANFARE!!! PREDICTION!!! Miyogiryuu will be Yokozuna. In time to face Kaio?
Kintamayama Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Myogiryu and Matsutani are looking for worthwhile opponents. FANFARE!!! PREDICTION!!! Miyogiryuu will be Yokozuna. In time to face Kaio? What scares me the most is that when he becomes Yokozuna in about 3-4 years from now, he'll still be facing KaioU.
Jakusotsu Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 What scares me the most is that when he becomes Yokozuna in about 3-4 years from now, he'll still be facing KaioU. . . . and Kaio will still have some years to go before becoming Yokozuna himself.
kame Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 Nice prediction powers... You shouldn't have removed the original post, Peterao, let ppl have a smile.
Peterao Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) It wasn't actually a prediction; I just said that I wouldn't be surprised if Kaio didn't win. That was back when I still thought that we might have a real gachinko basho...but obviously it would look bad if ozeki performance were _too_ radically different from previous basho. Edited May 12, 2011 by Peterao
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