Doitsuyama Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Lead makushita Masuraumi moved ahead to 3-1 with a win over juryo Kirinowaka and needs only one more win for a quick juryo return. Czech Takanoyama had an hikkake win against Jumonji for his second win while Aoki is trying to avoid his second consecutive make-koshi with his first win of the basho. The seven makushita rikishi who stay undefeated today are a pretty veteranish group with Bungonishiki (25 years old next month) the youngest. Down in jonokuchi there was the showdown between two of the more promising shin-deshi, Tateno and Tatsu. Not too surprisingly the seven years older Tateno beat 15 years old middle schooler Tatsu to stay in the yusho hunt. Jonokuchi Jk34e Satake (1-2) yorikiri Jk31w Wakashoji (0-3) Jk32e Uchida (3-0) oshidashi Jk28e Kotoharada (1-2) Jk27e Kotoomura (2-1) shitatenage Jk33e Yukita (1-2) Jk25e Kotonanba (2-1) yorikiri Jk30e Kato (1-2) Jk24e Daichi (3-0) tsukidashi Jk26e Osato (2-1) Jk21w Suzuki (2-1) oshidashi Jk22w Kotodoi (1-2) Jk19e Hayatemune (1-2) oshidashi Jk23e Sakaguchiyama (0-3) Jk17w Hashimoto (3-0) hatakikomi Jk21e Masutenryu (2-1) Jk14w Terutsuyoshi (3-0) oshidashi Jk16w Sugimoto (2-1) Jk15w Nagao (2-1) oshitaoshi Jk13w Wakayamada (1-2) Jk13e Tateno (3-0) sukuinage Jk11w Tatsu (2-1) Jk10w Yoshifuji (2-1) hatakikomi Jk6w Kairiki (1-2) Jk8w Kitasatsuma (1-2) oshidashi Jk5e Tatsunishiki (0-3) Jk1w Kawabata (1-2) oshidashi Jk4w Takaora (0-3) Jonidan Jd124w Yutoyama (2-1) uwatenage Jk2e Kaikisho (1-2) Jd124e Aratobi (2-1) oshidashi Jd121e Shikinokawa (1-2) Jd122w Sakurai (1-2) yoritaoshi Jd120e Azumahana (0-3) Jd116w Matsugahama (1-2) oshidashi Jd119e Shuho (0-3) Jd115w Higohikari (2-1) hatakikomi Jd118w Hinohikari (1-2) Jd112w Hokuyozan (2-1) oshidashi Jd114e Hakubizan (1-2) Jd113w Okuniyama (2-1) yorikiri Jd111w Daishorin (1-2) Jd109e Motokiyama (2-1) yoritaoshi Jd110e Asaamami (1-2) Jd109w Hayashi (1-2) yorikiri Jd107e Masukoma (0-3) Jd105e Kainofuji (2-1) oshidashi Jd107w Kawahara (1-2) Jd103w Hayatefuji (2-1) yoritaoshi Jd104e Hasugeyama (1-2) Jd100w Mitozakura (3-0) yorikiri Jd102w Hirose (2-1) Jd101w Shintaku (2-1) oshidashi Jd99w Nara (1-2) Jd96e Shijima (2-1) sukuinage Jd97e Itako (1-2) Jd95e Oyamamoto (1-2) shitatenage Jd97w Shimasegawa (0-3) Jd93e Zendaisho (2-1) uwatenage Jd92w Tochinobori (1-2) Jd93w Amanowaka (1-2) hikiotoshi Jd92e Maenokatsu (0-3) Jd91e Hazukiyama (3-0) uwatenage Jd94e Aoijo (2-1) Jd88w Yuwa (2-1) yorikiri Jd89e Asakoki (1-2) Jd90w Hoshigane (3-0) sukuinage Jd87w Kinunonami (2-1) Jd84w Kaneko (2-1) yorikiri Jd85e Tokiarashi (1-2) Jd82e Nioyama (3-0) oshitaoshi Jd86e Tosahikari (2-1) Jd81e Takatenshu (2-1) oshidashi Jd80w Kirimaru (1-2) Jd78e Shobushi (3-0) oshidashi Jd83e Kotowatanabe (2-1) Jd77w Toshi (3-0) uwatenage Jd76e Komatensho (2-1) Jd73w Hisachikara (2-1) yorikiri Jd74w Kotokuzan (1-2) Jd75w Wakamiura (1-2) yorikiri Jd72e Nekomata (0-3) Jd70w Matsuura (2-1) yorikiri Jd73e Nakayama (1-2) Jd68w Yamato (2-1) oshidashi Jd67w Kisenishiki (1-2) Jd66w Teraofuji (1-2) oshidashi Jd68e Kumao (0-3) Jd65w Juban (3-0) oshitaoshi Jd62w Azumasato (2-1) Jd61w Tomisakae (2-1) oshidashi Jd63w Miyakita (1-2) Jd60e Ryushonami (2-1) yorikiri Jd58w Kotomyozan (1-2) Jd59e Hayabusa (1-2) oshidashi Jd57e Fukudome (0-3) Jd54w Daishoai (2-1) yoritaoshi Jd55w Ebisumaru (1-2) Jd53w Fukai (3-0) makiotoshi Jd55e Wakanoryu (2-1) Jd50e Hatachijo (2-1) oshidashi Jd51w Hisatsukasa (1-2) Jd52w Koshinonami (1-2) shitatenage Jd48w Fujinoumi (0-3) Jd48e Masuryu (2-1) oshidashi Jd49e Kongofuji (1-2) Jd46w Hamaazuma (3-0) oshidashi Jd46e Tomonofuji (2-1) Jd45e Tochidaiho (2-1) hatakikomi Jd47w Hayatejo (1-2) Jd41e Kiryu (3-0) yorikiri Jd43w Karyutsukasa (2-1) Jd39e Yoshinofuji (1-2) uwatenage Jd41w Masunoumi (0-3) Jd36w Hamaminato (2-1) tsukidashi Jd37e Daitenyu (1-2) Jd38e Ikataumi (1-2) kotenage Jd34w Echizenyama (0-3) Jd32e Teraoryu (1-2) oshidashi Jd32w Kurenishiki (0-3) Jd33w Torinzan (2-1) yorikiri Jd31e Kasugashin (1-2) Jd28e Kinokawa (2-1) hatakikomi Jd29w Taguchi (1-2) Jd26e Hokudozan (3-0) shitatenage Jd28w Teraoumi (2-1) Jd24w Igarashi (1-2) yoritaoshi Jd23w Owarifuji (0-3) Jd22w Sato (2-1) yoritaoshi Jd25e Yatsurugi (1-2) Jd21e Shibahara (2-1) oshidashi Jd19w Oseumi (1-2) Jd18w Tagen (1-2) sotogake Jd20w Kamakari (0-3) Jd15w Fusanohana (2-1) okuridashi Jd15e Tamakishin (1-2) Jd13w Shinnishiki (1-2) oshidashi Jd16e Taketoba (0-3) Jd12w Takamiryu (3-0) yorikiri Jd11e Terunosato (2-1) Jd9w Kasugasato (2-1) oshidashi Jd11w Kaminoyama (1-2) Jd7w Hokutofuji (2-1) hatakikomi Jd7e Daigoki (1-2) Jd6e Kakutaiki (1-2) isamiashi Jd5e Burinosato (0-3) Jd4e Asahio (2-1) kubinage Jd2w Yamaryu (1-2) Sandanme Sd100e Hamamiryu (2-1) hatakikomi Sd98w Takada (1-2) Sd96w Chiyoshuho (2-1) yorikiri Sd98e Takaurata (1-2) Sd95e Tochinoshima (3-0) oshidashi Sd93w Teraomaru (2-1) Sd92w Tanno (2-1) oshidashi Sd94w Kainokura (1-2) Sd89w Koju (2-1) yorikiri Sd89e Kirizakura (1-2) Sd87w Chiyosakae (2-0) kotenage Sd88e Daishoiwa (1-2) Sd86w Miura (2-1) yorikiri Sd85w Daihoyama (1-2) Sd84w Hanakaze (1-2) uwatenage Sd86e Daishoko (0-3) Sd81w Haruhikari (2-1) tsuridashi Sd84e Shunba (1-2) Sd83w Raiko (2-1) yorikiri Sd80w Kasuganami (1-2) Sd77w Yakunoshima (1-2) oshidashi Sd78e Shobimaru (0-3) Sd79e Katagiri (2-1) yorikiri Sd76w Tsurunoumi (1-2) Sd74e Higonoryu (1-2) yorikiri Sd73e Owaka (0-3) Sd72e Daijo (2-1) tsukiotoshi Sd74w Notoazuma (1-2) Sd69e Kyokushoten (1-2) yorikiri Sd69w Koriyama (0-3) Sd70w Hanasegawa (2-1) oshitaoshi Sd68e Kawashita (1-2) Sd65e Kasugaryu (3-0) shitatedashinage Sd66e Asabenkei (2-1) Sd66w Hidaka (2-1) tsukiotoshi Sd64e Honda (1-2) Sd61w Maenofuji (2-1) hatakikomi Sd61e Ryukiyama (1-2) Sd62e Ayanokaze (1-2) yorikiri Sd59e Matsubayama (0-3) Sd56w Nishiuchi (2-1) yorikiri Sd57e Satonofuji (1-2) Sd58e Hokazan (1-2) hatakikomi Sd55w Kotokensei (0-3) Sd52w Daishowaka (3-0) uwatenage Sd53w Isanokuni (2-1) Sd54e Ogifuji (2-1) oshidashi Sd51w Tamanotaka (1-2) Sd50e Torugawa (2-1) katasukashi Sd48w Matsuhara (1-2) Sd47e Kihakuriki (3-0) hatakikomi Sd49e Hokuoryu (2-1) Sd46e Kei (3-0) yorikiri Sd44w Teruazuma (2-1) Sd43e Kabutoiwa (1-2) hikiotoshi Sd46w Kotodaishin (0-3) Sd40w Masuhikari (2-1) oshidashi Sd40e Isoazuma (1-2) Sd41w Fukudayama (3-0) hatakikomi Sd38w Ryusei (2-1) Sd36e Tochikasuga (1-2) okuridashi Sd37w Kotokashiwadani (0-3) Sd35w Minanosato (3-0) yorikiri Sd38e Danyu (2-1) Sd36w Chiyonohana (2-1) hikiotoshi Sd35e Kaishinho (1-2) Sd32e Chiyootori (2-1) oshidashi Sd33w Sasayama (1-2) Sd32w Masunofuji (3-0) yorikiri Sd30w Okoryu (2-1) Sd29e Dewahayate (3-0) tsukiotoshi Sd28e Maegunzan (2-1) Sd28w Wakarikido (2-1) shitatenage Sd27e Okinofuji (1-2) Sd26w Kotookuyama (2-1) tsukiotoshi Sd24e Daikamifusa (1-2) Sd23e Takunishiki (3-0) yorikiri Sd26e Higoarashi (2-1) Sd21w Takakiho (3-0) yorikiri Sd20e Dewanosato (2-1) Sd22w Kotoninsei (1-2) hatakikomi Sd18w Haruzakura (0-3) Sd16w Kawanari (2-1) oshitaoshi Sd17w Kotokino (1-2) Sd16e Migikataagari (2-1) yorikiri Sd15e Wakakengo (1-2) Sd14e Kazafuzan (1-2) tsukiotoshi Sd12w Matsumoto (0-3) Sd12e Aisaka (2-1) yorikiri Sd11e Yoshinokuni (1-2) Sd10w Tokio (2-1) oshidashi Sd8e Sadanishiki (1-2) Sd9e Karatsuumi (3-0) yorikiri Sd7e Wakakasuga (2-1) Sd4e Inoue (2-1) yorikiri Sd6e Akinomine (1-2) Sd4w Matsumidori (3-0) oshidashi Sd3e Masutoo (2-1) Makushita Sd2w Mankajo (2-1) uwatenage Ms60w Tenroku (1-2) Sd1e Yamatofuji (3-0) okuridashi Ms58e Omiryu (2-1) Ms59e Takageppo (1-2) shitatenage Ms55w Orora (0-3) Ms53w Kairyu (2-1) tsukidashi Ms56w Wakaryusei (1-2) Ms51w Naoe (1-2) hatakikomi Ms55e Yamashita (0-3) Ms52e Bungonishiki (3-0) kubinage Ms50w Kagamio (2-1) Ms50e Tokachiumi (2-1) yorikiri Ms47w Hishofuji (1-2) Ms48e Yotsuguruma (3-0) yorikiri Ms46e Nankairiki (2-1) Ms45w Kotokuni (3-0) oshitaoshi Ms43w Bugendai (2-1) Ms44e Suzaku (2-1) yorikiri Ms42w Tenichi (1-2) Ms42e Hidenofuji (1-2) yorikiri Ms39w Hokuo (0-3) Ms40e Sensho (2-1) oshidashi Ms38e Tokizakura (1-2) Ms35w Maeta (3-0) yorikiri Ms37w Wakamifuji (2-1) Ms34w Kotomisen (2-1) hikiotoshi Ms36e Kasugakuni (1-2) Ms31w Hananosato (1-2) yorikiri Ms33e Araumi (0-3) Ms30w Ikioi (2-1) yorikiri Ms30e Sakaguchi (1-2) Ms27e Tochitsubasa (2-1) utchari Ms29w Kamei (1-2) Ms27w Toyonokuni (2-1) oshidashi Ms26w Dewaotori (1-2) Ms25w Surugatsukasa (3-0) uwatenage Ms28w Mochimaru (2-1) Ms25e Masunoyama (2-1) oshidashi Ms26e Takanoiwa (1-2) Ms23e Rikiryu (3-0) oshidashi Ms23w Hamanishiki (2-1) Ms22e Nionoumi (2-1) oshidashi Ms24e Chiyonokuni (1-2) Ms21e Kitazono (1-2) yorikiri Ms19e Shoketsu (0-3) Ms19w Kitaharima (2-1) oshidashi Ms17w Daishoyama (1-2) Ms15e Oniarashi (1-2) yorikiri Ms17e Yanagawa (0-3) Ms13w Towanoyama (2-1) oshitaoshi Ms15w Satoyama (1-2) Ms11e Tochinowaka (2-1) yorikiri Ms12w Raido (1-2) Ms9w Nakanokuni (3-0) hatakikomi Ms13e Amuru (2-1) Ms8e Aoki (1-2) yorikiri Ms8w Satsumahibiki (0-3) Ms6e Takanoyama (2-1) hikkake Ms6w Jumonji (1-2)
Pippooshu Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 I'm happy for Takanoyama but a little sad for Jumonji also...strange, I know. Maybe Jumonji is near to Intai's time?
Chinonofuji Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Czech Takanoyama had an hikkake win against Jumonji for his second win I readily confess that I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but with his seeming problems in gaining weight and his wide variety of techniques, does anyone ever think that Takanoyama could have much more success in aikido or judo competitions?
Harry Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Czech Takanoyama had an hikkake win against Jumonji for his second win I readily confess that I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but with his seeming problems in gaining weight and his wide variety of techniques, does anyone ever think that Takanoyama could have much more success in aikido or judo competitions? He doesn't want to be fat. He wants to be lean, likes the look of it. Doesn't want to look like Orora or Yamamotoyama or even Aran or Baruto. Wins perhaps but success? By what definition? I know of no paid judo competitions or aikido. He'd need to compete in some prize fighter (mixed, bad misnomer) martial arts, perhaps DREAM, UFC, something like that. They have lightweight divisions in which he might flourish. He is still young enough to go into that after sumo but I don't think his sumo is done yet. I hope he makes it to juryo.
Pippooshu Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 He doesn't want to be fat. He wants to be lean, likes the look of it. Doesn't want to look like Orora or Yamamotoyama or even Aran or Baruto.Wins perhaps but success? By what definition? I know of no paid judo competitions or aikido. He'd need to compete in some prize fighter (mixed, bad misnomer) martial arts, perhaps DREAM, UFC, something like that. They have lightweight divisions in which he might flourish. He is still young enough to go into that after sumo but I don't think his sumo is done yet. I hope he makes it to juryo. I hope it. I know he works very hard and I read he don't turn back at home from much time, b'cause he want to become a sekitori before. Gamba-re, Takanoyama! (In a state of confusion...)
Asashosakari Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Still quite early of course, but it looks like there could be a real premium on finishing KK in the makushita-joi this time as there may well be 4+ free spots for a change. I don't buy either Kaiho or Yamamotoyama as likely to stay in the division, Kanbayashi was my #1 demotion candidate anyway and fights exactly like it, and Kirinowaka has to run out of rope some time eventually. Add in Sadanofuji who already looked less good than Masuraumi last basho and currently (IMHO) again gives up some ground qualitatively to Masuraumi's eventual 7-8 performance, so finishing KK is far from a certainty. Thank goodness the schedule makers are currently forced to have a crossover bout every day. Weirdly, I find myself rooting for all four potential 7-0 promotees right now; a fluke juryo debut for any of Nakanokuni, Shironoryu* and Daitensho would be perfectly fine with me, as would the not-so-fluky debut (after all, he could still get there with 6-1 or even 5-2) for Sadanoumi. For "strange trivia" purposes a triple Sakaigawa promotion of Hochiyama, Sadanoumi and Shironoryu would be neat, I guess... * One of the first guys to catch my eye in my early lower-division scouring...it's been a while since I stopped believing in him as a future sekitori. (In a state of confusion...)
Chinonofuji Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Czech Takanoyama had an hikkake win against Jumonji for his second win I readily confess that I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but with his seeming problems in gaining weight and his wide variety of techniques, does anyone ever think that Takanoyama could have much more success in aikido or judo competitions? He doesn't want to be fat. He wants to be lean, likes the look of it. Doesn't want to look like Orora or Yamamotoyama or even Aran or Baruto. <snip> I hope he makes it to juryo. First, I hope he makes it too. I'm sure most of us do. Second, do you really think he wants to stay lean, even if it means slow or negligible advancement? Do you know this or are you supposing it's true? Have you spoken with him? I ask because he clearly has a huge will to stay in ozumo and succeed at it. Certainly he keeps banging his head against the wall in trying to make it out of makushita. But if he is as competitive as he seems, I'd be surprised that he wouldn't try to gain weight, even desperately so, to have more success and finally make the juryo jump. Perhaps he actually thinks he can stay lean AND get into (and succeed at) juryo, but I find it hard to believe, as the better he does the more the weight disparity increases (even as his foes' techniques improve as well). Or maybe he just does sumo to get the ladies...?
Asashosakari Posted May 15, 2010 Posted May 15, 2010 Perhaps he actually thinks he can stay lean AND get into (and succeed at) juryo, but I find it hard to believe, as the better he does the more the weight disparity increases ... I think he has passed that point by now. Average weight since 2008, per SDB: Ms21-Ms30: 138.9 kg Ms11-Ms20: 143.4 kg Ms1-Ms10: 146.4 kg J8-J14: 145.7 kg J1-J7: 145.1 kg
Chinonofuji Posted May 15, 2010 Posted May 15, 2010 Perhaps he actually thinks he can stay lean AND get into (and succeed at) juryo, but I find it hard to believe, as the better he does the more the weight disparity increases ... I think he has passed that point by now. Average weight since 2008, per SDB: Ms21-Ms30: 138.9 kg Ms11-Ms20: 143.4 kg Ms1-Ms10: 146.4 kg J8-J14: 145.7 kg J1-J7: 145.1 kg Wow, that's really pretty interesting. Thank you. Does that trend continue into makuuchi? And regardless, if he could continue to hone his technique, perhaps promotion -- to juryo at least -- is not as far-fetched as I had thought?
Asashosakari Posted May 15, 2010 Posted May 15, 2010 (edited) Wow, that's really pretty interesting. Thank you. Does that trend continue into makuuchi? No. (In a state of confusion...) M6-M17: 151.2 kg Y-M5: 153.0 kg Keep in mind that makuuchi is still inhabited by a significant number of guys from an older generation (Iwaki, Miya, Kaio, Mickey, Waka, etc.) who came up when large weights were almost a pre-requisite to sustained success; that trend has reversed somewhat in the last 5-10 years and it's more reflected in the lower divisions already. And regardless, if he could continue to hone his technique, perhaps promotion -- to juryo at least -- is not as far-fetched as I had thought? IMO, the main issue with his low weight is that it gives him only a razor-thin margin for error in any bout. That's always going to be a problem when there are just 7 bouts to achieve KK, even moreso than for other rikishi. Skill-wise I think his overall package is no worse than that of any other rikishi in high makushita, save temporarily injury-demoted Shirononami and perhaps Masuraumi (who's of course also likely to evacuate back to juryo soon enough), so at this point it's mostly a matter of having a bit of luck to string together a couple of KK and do it at the right time, i.e. finishing up his run in a basho where there are many free spots in juryo. Slogging through a longer path than that (e.g. Ms6e 5-2 ->Ms2w 4-3 -> Ms1e 4-3) is always a difficult proposition if you don't clearly stand out from your peers in high makushita. Just look at Ryuho or Yoshiazuma's last couple of years. Or he could just improve even further, of course, but I'm honestly skeptical he has much room left. But then I never thought he'd get as far as he has, so who knows. Edited May 15, 2010 by Asashosakari
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