Leaderboard (2004 Haru Day 10)

[Naganoyama]

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After day 10, March 2004, Makuuchi division scores are:
Wins	Rikishi	Shikona
10	4	Asashoryu, Chiyotaikai, Kaio, Asasekiryu
9	0	-
8	0	-
7	4	Musoyama, Hokutoriki, Kokkai, Kotonowaka
6	8	Miyabiyama, Takamisakari, Buyuzan, Kotoryu, Takekaze, Toki, Harunoyama, Kaiho
5	9	Wakanosato, Dejima, Kyokutenho, Tochinonada, Tamanoshima, Iwakiyama, Tochisakae, Ushiomaru, Yotsukasa
4	3	Kakizoe, Shimotori, Tokitsuumi
3	7	Kotomitsuki, Kinkaiyama, Takanonami, Kasuganishiki, Asanowaka, Futeno, Toyozakura
2	4	Kyokushuzan, Aminishiki, Jumonji, Chiyotenzan
1	2	Tosanoumi, Wakanoyama
0	0	-

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After day 10, March 2004, Juryo division scores are:
Wins	Rikishi	Shikona
10	0	-
9	0	-
8	2	Hayateumi, Kasugao
7	2	Takanowaka, Hakuho
6	7	Otsukasa, Tamakasuga, Kobo, Kaido, Kitazakura, Tokitenku, Bushuyama
5	6	Wakatoba, Gojoro, Takanotsuru, Sumanofuji, Dewanofuji, Ama
4	5	Oikari, Tamarikido, Hamanishiki, Daimanazuru, Wakakosho
3	3	Roho, Juzan, Ichinotani
2	1	Masutsuyoshi
1	0	-
0	0	-

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[Tumppi]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, this has got to be the most exciting basho for a while! 2 Ozeki and a Yokozuna 10-0 after 10 days.

It's funny how Chiyotaikai has done better than his usual 10-3 despite his injury. A nice plateau buster it was.

[Tumppi]

When was the last time 4 rikishi were at 10-0??? (In a state of confusion...) :-S

edit: I found it in the other thread. 1989.. I wonder if 4 rikishi have ever been at 11-0 B-)

Edited March 23, 2004 by Tumppi

[Doitsuyama]

It's funny how Chiyotaikai has done better than his usual 10-3 despite his injury. A nice plateau buster it was.

You are slightly too early, ne? His usual 10-3 is still quite possible, especially as you now put the jinx on him. (In a state of confusion...)

[Jesinofuji]

Next basho could end up being very interesting. We could easily have 2 deserving Ozeki up for Yokozuna promotion.

[aderechelsea]

Next basho could end up being very interesting. We could easily have 2 deserving Ozeki up for Yokozuna promotion.

is this possible in case of a play-off ?

i always thought that to become Yokozuna you have to get two consecutive Yusho. And this is not possible for both of them.....

(In a state of confusion...)

anyone who can clear this up is welcome ...... :-S

[Tumppi]

Doitsuyama you're right, maybe I'm "pushing the river" too early here but the chances are big that he will win at least 1 of 3. The jinx.. (In a state of confusion...)

Jesinofuji I'm also interested in what you said. Is it possible somehow that if this basho ends up a certain way, next basho Kaio or Chiyotaikai could be promoted if only one of them gets the Yusho?

Edited March 23, 2004 by Tumppi

[QttP]

Next basho could end up being very interesting.  We could easily have 2 deserving Ozeki up for Yokozuna promotion.

is this possible in case of a play-off ?

i always thought that to become Yokozuna you have to get two consecutive Yusho. And this is not possible for both of them.....

(In a state of confusion...)

anyone who can clear this up is welcome ...... :-S

There never was a hard coded rule about two consecutive yusho. In the past 10-15 years it seems to be the requirement, but I daresay that a yusho equivalent (a playoff for that matter) will be enough. Like, after Hatsu 2002, both Tochiazuma and Chiyotaikai were up for promotion (both went 13-2). At least I think so.

So, it is possible. Even a 14-1 jun-yusho behind a 15-0 yusho may be enough for a tsunatori basho next time. But you just never know with the NSK.

[Asashosakari]

The 'rule' is that an Ozeki needs two consecutive yusho or equivalent results in order to be considered for Yokozuna promotion. Considered as equivalent are usually only playoff losses, but as everything with the Kyokai, that's probably not set in stone.

The last time this situation presented itself was after Hatsu 2002, which both Taikai and Tochiazuma had finished with 13-2 (Azuma won the playoff). Both of them were officially considered to be in the running for Yokozuna promotion in the next basho.

Edit: Ah, just go read QttP's post who said the same things faster. (In a state of confusion...) And I agree with him that a 14-1 non-playoff jun-yusho might qualify as an equivalent performance, too.

Edited March 23, 2004 by Asashosakari

[Yoavoshimaru]

When's the last time two ozeki were promoted to yokozuna at the same time, though?

[QttP]

When's the last time two ozeki were promoted to yokozuna at the same time, though?

Asashokari will answer this one.

[Asashosakari]

When's the last time two ozeki were promoted to yokozuna at the same time, though?

Asashokari will answer this one.

Your wish is my command. :-P

Tamanoumi and Kitanofuji after Hatsu 1970.

[Kashunowaka]

I think that a 13-2 jun-yusho in this basho followed by a yusho in Natsu would summon the Yokozuna Deliberation Council, especially if the yusho in Natsu is of high quality (13 wins or more).

[Jesinofuji]

As I understand it, a 13 win performance is considered yusho-equivilant for the purpose of Yokozuna promotion in the eyes of many, including Kitanoumi Rijicho. I'm sure YDC members have differing opinions and in the end whatever the outcome, it would come down to a vote. I don't see them turning down Kaio after a 14-1 jun yusho followed by a 13-2 yusho.

[Zuikakuyama]

Perhaps the YDC would be more lenient to Kaio/Chiyotakai now since they have no other yokozuna, but in May/July 1993, Takanohana (as an Ozeki) had a 14-1 yusho followed by a 13-2 playoff loss jun-yusho, and failed to achieve promotion. And even then they had only 1 yokozuna in Akebono.

But then of course, Takanohana was a shoe-in for yokozuna, so the YDC may have demanded clear yushos from him.

[Asashosakari]

I faintly recall reading that in the case of two yusho, the YDC only needs to recommend the promotion by majority decision, whereas yusho + jun-yusho (or two jun-yusho) requires unanimous approval by them. Or did I just hallucinate that?

Incidentally, I don't think a 13-2 performance will be considered yusho-equivalent in any case if it's not a jun-yusho. (i.e. if it's only a third place finish behind 15-0Y / 14-1J, or 14-1Y / 14-1D)

Edited March 24, 2004 by Asashosakari

[aderechelsea]

i was browsing through Onokuni's stats at Chiyozakuras sumoinfo and found that he was promoted to Yokozuna after winning a yusho and then had two bashos with 12-3 and 13-2 records respectively (was he jun-yusho in both of them ?)

He managed to win a Yusho as Yokozuna (poor Wakanohana....) but not much after that........

Were they so desperate back then to have a Yokozuna as they are now?