Banzuke Topics

[Kashunowaka]

Ahh, Banzuke Topics are here. ;-) Lots of interesting stuff for stattos.

Wakanosato now ties Kaio's record for most consecutive sanyaku basho. He will likely break the record next basho. And yet he has never won more than 11 wins in a makuuchi basho. Kotomitsuki has done that four times. BTW, after seeing Kotomitsuki on the Eurosport Hatsu basho broadcast recently, I am upping my bet on him for Haru basho.

Successful amateur sumo competitors are allowed to make their professional debuts from the Makushita Division The rules governing qualification for this special debut were revised in January 2001. Of the four rikishi qualifying for debut under these revised rules Futeno is the third, following Takekaze and Kakizoe, to earn promotion to the top, Makuuchi Division.

Who was the fourth rikishi?

* Kyokushuzan - This is Kyokushuzan's forty-second consecutive tournament holding a maegashira rank, dating from the 1997 May Grand Sumo Tournament. This puts him in a tie for third place with Minatofuji (Tatsutagawa Oyakata) for most consecutive Makuuchi Division tournaments ranked below sanyaku. In first place with fifty-three is Higonoumi (Kise Oyakata).

So that's why Kyokushuzan wasn't promoted to komusubi - got to keep that streak alive. :-O

* Wakanojo - This tournament this former top division rikishi becomes the first in the modern era to spend two consecutive tournaments in the second lowest, Jonidan Division.

Yo, Wakanojo! Hello? Time to retire.

[Yubiquitoyama]

Lots of interesting stuff for stattos.

Yes!

Who was the fourth rikishi?

Asamiyoshi, now fighting his way back from injury. In Sandanme after winning the Jonidan-yusho last time.

So that's why Kyokushuzan wasn't promoted to komusubi - got to keep that streak alive. :-O

Yes, and what's more: If he had come back to sanyaku now, he'd have ended up second on the list for most basho between sanyaku appearances. He can't go back to Komusubi until this time next year to get first in that list. ;-)

[Kashunowaka]

Who was the fourth rikishi?

Asamiyoshi, now fighting his way back from injury. In Sandanme after winning the Jonidan-yusho last time.

Oh yes, Isamiashi. Now I remember.

[Asashosakari]

Wakanosato now ties Kaio's record for most consecutive sanyaku basho. He will likely break the record next basho. And yet he has never won more than 11 wins in a makuuchi basho. Kotomitsuki has done that four times.

Five! (I was stupid...)

* Wakanojo - This tournament this former top division rikishi becomes the first in the modern era to spend two consecutive tournaments in the second lowest, Jonidan Division.

Yo, Wakanojo! Hello? Time to retire.

Nah, he still has plenty of firsts to lay claim to...first ex-Makuuchi to spend a whole year in Jonidan, first ex-Makuuchi to drop to Jonokuchi, first ex-Makuuchi to be beaten by a 15-year old (unless that already happened last basho)...

Some interesting stuff I noticed (and much of it mostly betrays my own previous ignorance)...

Komusubi Debut - Kakizoe

This is the sixth sanyaku (sekiwake or komusubi) debut out of Musashigawa Beya since the present oyakata (the fifty-seventh yokozuna, Mienoumi) reestablished the heya on August 29th, 1981.

I never realized that it took Musashigawa-beya more than 10 years to achieve even a moderate level of success (i.e. Maru's sanyaku debut in 1992). Should be reassuring to other, new stables that even future powerhouse heyas didn't just appear on the scene but had to go through all the usual growing stages.

[shimotori] is the third former member of the Tokyo Nogyo University sumo team to make his sanyaku debut following Yutakayama (Katsuo, later an ozeki) and the first since Yutakayama (Hiromitsu, Minato Oyakata) was promoted to komusubi for the 1972 September Grand Sumo Tournament.

From the same university, hmm...now he just needs to make Ozeki and he can be the next Yutakayama.

Harunoyama is the ninth rikishi from the professional debut class of March 1992 to make his Makuuchi Division debut and the first since Takanotsuru (now competing in the Juryo Division), promoted to the top division for the 2003 January Grand Sumo Tournament.

They didn't note it this time, but with that ninth debut, the Haru 1992 class breaks its own record (set when 'tsuru debuted) for most Makuuchi rikishi originating from the same class.

[Rijicho]

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We know statistics don't interest you. Read something else.

[Fujisan]

Table 5 is an interesting one for the fastest rise to the Juryo ranks-

Of the ten rikishi in the table 7 made it to Ozeki or Yokozuna and 1 to Komusubi,the other two still active are Roho and recent promotee Tokitenku-I already had Roho in my Rotosumo team but after reading that I added Tokitenku aswell.

[Asashosakari]

Table 5 is an interesting one for the fastest rise to the Juryo ranks-

Of the ten rikishi in the table 7 made it to Ozeki or Yokozuna and 1 to Komusubi,the other two still active are Roho and recent promotee Tokitenku-I already had Roho in my Rotosumo team but after reading that I added Tokitenku aswell.

Speaking of Tokitenku, I never realized he went to a Japanese university...I wonder what the Kyokai thinks about having their sekitori ranks running over not just with collegiate rikishi and foreigners, but now even collegiate foreigners? (Eh?)

[Yubiquitoyama]

Speaking of Tokitenku, I never realized he went to a Japanese university...I wonder what the Kyokai thinks about having their sekitori ranks running over not just with collegiate rikishi and foreigners, but now even collegiate foreigners?

Edited March 6, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[Yubiquitoyama]

In my constant fascination of the persistent rather than the outstanding rikishi, I feel there are a couple of notes missing in the banzuke topics this time.

Makuuchi Debut - Harunoyama

Harunoyama spent 18 consecutive basho in Juryo before his top, Makuuchi division debut. This puts him in a tie for 6th place on the list of most consecutive Juryo basho right before first Makunouchi promotion (see Table 7). He has also spent a total of 19 basho in Juryo which puts him in 6th place for most Juryo basho before promotion to the top division (see Table 8). Both lists include rikishi making their Makunouchi debut after the end of W.W II.

Table 7: Consecutive basho in Juryo right before Makunouchi promotion (post-WWII).

Basho	Shikona [High rank]	Start of Jr-run	Mkuprom
26	Miyabashira [M11]	1957.03	1961.09
23	Otayama [M20]	1951.09	1957.09
21	Chiyozakura [M05]	1973.03	1976.09
19	Maegashio [M18]	1954.03	1958.07
19	Hanahikari [M03]	1962.09	1965.11
18	Harunoyama [M14?]	2001.03	2004.03
18	Fukunosato [M13]	1947.06	1953.05
18	Daimonji [M05]	1963.11	1966.11
16	Kitanohana [M06]	1965.09	1968.05
15	Hoshiiwato [M14]	1986.11	1989.07

Table 8: Most basho in Juryo before Makunouchi promotion (post-WWII)

Basho	Shikona [High rank]	Jur1st	Mkuprom
26	Miyabashira [M11]	1957.03	1961.09
24	Hachiya [M06]	1976.05	1981.11
23	Otayama [M20]	1951.09	1957.09
21	Hoshiiwato [M14]	1981.11	1989.07
21	Chiyozakura [M05]	1973.03	1976.09
19	Hirakagawa [M13]	1948.05	1956.01
19	Maegashio [M18]	1954.03	1958.07
19	Daimonji [M05]	1962.11	1966.11
19	Hanahikari [M03]	1962.09	1965.11
19	Harunoyama [M14?]	2000.11	2004.03

It's somewhat worrying that these lists are completely devoid of any Ozekis or Yokozunas... Maybe Harunoyama will not get quite so far after all (Eh?)

Of course, looking at this list, even M02 would distinguish him from the others (Eh?)

Edited March 7, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[Asashosakari]

I hate to nitpick such nice and insightful tables, but didn't Harunoyama spend "only" 18 basho in Juryo consecutively?

[Yubiquitoyama]

I hate to nitpick such nice and insightful tables, but didn't Harunoyama spend "only" 18 basho in Juryo consecutively?

DOH (Eh?)

Corrected (I hope)... (Eh?)

Edited March 7, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[Doitsuyama]

I'd like to add that the Juryo division in the 50's and 60's has been much larger than now. So some rikishi's records in this list are basically a bit inflated and not really comparable to Harunoyama.

[Naganoyama]

I feel there are a couple of notes missing in the banzuke topics this time.

Also, how about: (For the section 'Kakizoe & Shimotori - Things In Common')

Kakizoe and Shimotori both fight under their family names.

(Edit: honed quoted section a bit)

Edited March 9, 2004 by Naganoyama

[Kotobaru]

:-O

Might be weird for you that I brought up this old thread, but I thought that it's better than to open up a new one. Here is at least the Banzuke Topics' discussed ...

I'm actually interested about the possibility to look at the Banzuke Topics

[Asashosakari]

I'm actually interested about the possibility to look at the Banzuke Topics

[Kotobaru]

I'm actually interested about the possibility to look at the Banzuke Topics

[Ryukaze]

Wakanosato now ties Kaio's record for most consecutive sanyaku basho. He will likely break the record next basho. And yet he has never won more than 11 wins in a makuuchi basho. Kotomitsuki has done that four times.

Five! :-P

* Wakanojo - This tournament this former top division rikishi becomes the first in the modern era to spend two consecutive tournaments in the second lowest, Jonidan Division.

Yo, Wakanojo! Hello? Time to retire.

Nah, he still has plenty of firsts to lay claim to...first ex-Makuuchi to spend a whole year in Jonidan, first ex-Makuuchi to drop to Jonokuchi, first ex-Makuuchi to be beaten by a 15-year old (unless that already happened last basho)...

Some interesting stuff I noticed (and much of it mostly betrays my own previous ignorance)...

Komusubi Debut - Kakizoe

This is the sixth sanyaku (sekiwake or komusubi) debut out of Musashigawa Beya since the present oyakata (the fifty-seventh yokozuna, Mienoumi) reestablished the heya on August 29th, 1981.

I never realized that it took Musashigawa-beya more than 10 years to achieve even a moderate level of success (i.e. Maru's sanyaku debut in 1992). Should be reassuring to other, new stables that even future powerhouse heyas didn't just appear on the scene but had to go through all the usual growing stages.

[shimotori] is the third former member of the Tokyo Nogyo University sumo team to make his sanyaku debut following Yutakayama (Katsuo, later an ozeki) and the first since Yutakayama (Hiromitsu, Minato Oyakata) was promoted to komusubi for the 1972 September Grand Sumo Tournament.

From the same university, hmm...now he just needs to make Ozeki and he can be the next Yutakayama.

Harunoyama is the ninth rikishi from the professional debut class of March 1992 to make his Makuuchi Division debut and the first since Takanotsuru (now competing in the Juryo Division), promoted to the top division for the 2003 January Grand Sumo Tournament.

They didn't note it this time, but with that ninth debut, the Haru 1992 class breaks its own record (set when 'tsuru debuted) for most Makuuchi rikishi originating from the same class.

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LOL ah ha ha ha ha! "Asashosakari-sama" you just gonna let somoene come off you like that without even so much as a warning?