sekihiryu Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 tsuriotoshi (lifting body slam) - This is a power technique only possible when there is a pronounced gap in strength and skill between the attacker and defender. from the Kyokai Kimarite web page. Asashoryu comprehensively outclassed Kotomitsuki, but only possible when there is a pronounced gap in skill and strength?? I disagree with this assessement. Kotomitsuki is no lightweight and not weak by any means. I think anyone strong enough and skillful enough can do this manoeuvre to almost anyone they please. maybe it should read This is a power technique only possible by a powerful and very skillful attacker
Kaikitsune Makoto Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) I disagree with the world! I thought this was some utter domination bout by Shoryu. Instead it turned out to be a normal morozashi win. Give me a break....tsuriotoshi in that position is NOTHING but showing off. All sanyaku could lift Kotomitsuki size rikishi up and dump him like that when you have such a morozashi. Asashoryu is in great shape and has never done better sumo than this basho but to call this tsuriotoshi a sign of domination is like calling the a tennis player a net-game god when he does some trick at the net when his foe has managed to return the ball but has ran to the audience in the process leaving the field open... But truth is that Asashoryu is in great shape. Kakizoe has a chance just like Kotomitsuki had a chance. He just lost the grip pursuing battle 100-0 as often happens against Shoryu's speed and skill. Edited January 20, 2004 by Kaikitsune Makoto
Zenjimoto Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 Give me a break....tsuriotoshi in that position is NOTHING but showing off. How can one show off, unless one completely dominates a bout? (I am not worthy...)
Kaikitsune Makoto Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) How can one show off, unless one completely dominates a bout? Edited January 20, 2004 by Kaikitsune Makoto
Kashunowaka Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 I disagree with the world! I thought this was some utter domination bout by Shoryu. Instead it turned out to be a normal morozashi win. Give me a break....tsuriotoshi in that position is NOTHING but showing off. For once I disagree with you, Kaikitsune-zeki ... :-) To me it looked like Asashoryu attempted tsuridashi at first. Asashoryu has beaten Kotomitsuki with tsuridashi twice in 2003 - it is a power technique, but it is a very effective way of winning, since your victim cannot dig his heels in, quite literally. The tsuridashi attempt failed, but Asashoryu still had his grip. So he won the bout from where he stood instead with tsuriotoshi. Necessary? Perhaps not. Effective? Certainly. Yorikiri would have taken longer time. I think the tsuriotoshi against Hokutoriki a few basho ago was a little unnecessary, since Hokutoriki offers very little resistance against someone who grabs his mawashi and walks him out. But winning like that of course also has the added effect of being rather humiliating to your opponent, which gives a psychological advantage the next time. Plus the crowd loves it. (I am not worthy...)
paolo Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 What I find very interesting is the fact that Asashoryu first tries to tsuriotoshi Kotomitsuki clockwise. He almost succeeds, but not completely, and Kotomitsuki is on his feet again. Very quickly Asashoryu changes his grip and he is ready to try more or less the same move the other way round ( that is counterclockwise) and this time he succeeds ! Asashoryu's technique looks really amazing (or am I missing something ? I am just a newcomer to sumo !).
Yoavoshimaru Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 Welcome to the forum Paolo (I am not worthy...) You're not missing much -- Asashoryu is the foremost technician in sumo today, and that's a large part of why he's the yokozuna. Whether this bout was showy or not, and whether it was showy on purpose or not, I like it. I like shows of strength, and this was a good one. If any sanyaku could have done it, then let any sanyaku do it.
Mark Buckton Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 Asashoryu did yesterday what he has done many times this basho - he rocked. Technicalities aside - brilliant. Still riles many who see his facial expressions / body poses after winning as 'mukatsuku' ANR
Kintamayama Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) This is for certain people who think this was a "normal morozashi win", hehehe.. It is called the "Asashouryuu special", boys and girls!! Oh yes, and he applied it to Kotomitsuki, who used to be his "arch-nemesis", and, if I remember correctly, was his 8-1 runner-up till he was reminded who is da man.. Edited January 20, 2004 by Kintamayama
Jesinofuji Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 As Zenji stated, one cannot show-off in a bout unless they totally dominate. Since people are so hard on Asa for what he does off the dohyou, he has to make up for it with what he does on the dohyou. I see nothing wrong with Asashoryu doing something to add flavor to a sport whose popularity has been dwindeling. :-) This is what Sumo needs.
Tenkashoryu Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 (edited) How can one show off, unless one completely dominates a bout? Edited January 21, 2004 by Tenkashoryu
Naganoyama Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 Because that is the best technic being offered at that moment to get you a 100% win. Indeed, you may have ended up being thrown by someone skillful like Koto if you went for some less "show" taoshi kimarite or behind push down . Therefore, there is nothing to be jealous for what Asa did.:-) I agree. Any time you have an opportunity to close out a bout and don't take it, you are open to the other guy making a comeback. Kotomitsuki is definitely a dangerous opponent and cannot be taken lightly.
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