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Tikozan Komusubi

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For some time I have asked me: Are there some career ends near?

DEJIMA (M12w, 35 years old)

KAIHO (J11w, 36y)

KITAZAKURA (Ms1w, 37y)

CHIYOTAIKAI (Ozeki, 33y)

Why?

Former Ozeki Dejima is in danger for demotion to Juryo. Since 03/1997 he's in Makuuchi. I don't think, that he will go the way down.

Former Komusubi Kaiho is in danger for demotion to Makushita. In the past of his promotion to sekitori in 5/1997 he never goes down to Makushita and I think that he will not go this way now.

The greatest "salt thrower" (Clapping wildly...) , former Maegashira 9 Kitazakura ...hmmm, I think, if he will not repromoted to Juryo after this Basho he will go intai.

...and Chiyotaikai? I don't know.

My opinion: If he loses his Ozeki rank, he will try to get it back next Basho, but if it does not work (Another year older...) I fear that he will go intai. He is Ozeki since 3/1999 and I do not believe that he will continue his career as a Sekiwake or lower.

and Miyabiyama?

As M11e he's in dager too...

ryafuji Ozeki

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For some time I have asked me: Are there some career ends near?

DEJIMA (M12w, 35 years old)

KAIHO (J11w, 36y)

KITAZAKURA (Ms1w, 37y)

CHIYOTAIKAI (Ozeki, 33y)

Why?

Former Ozeki Dejima is in danger for demotion to Juryo. Since 03/1997 he's in Makuuchi. I don't think, that he will go the way down.

Former Komusubi Kaiho is in danger for demotion to Makushita. In the past of his promotion to sekitori in 5/1997 he never goes down to Makushita and I think that he will not go this way now.

The greatest "salt thrower" (Clapping wildly...) , former Maegashira 9 Kitazakura ...hmmm, I think, if he will not repromoted to Juryo after this Basho he will go intai.

...and Chiyotaikai? I don't know.

My opinion: If he loses his Ozeki rank, he will try to get it back next Basho, but if it does not work (Another year older...) I fear that he will go intai. He is Ozeki since 3/1999 and I do not believe that he will continue his career as a Sekiwake or lower.

and Miyabiyama?

As M11e he's in dager too...

Dejima would definitely retire I think as there seems to be an unwritten rule that former ozeki shouldn't compete in juryo (although Daiju had a go...). Similarly I can't see Chiyotaikai carrying on after so long as an ozeki. But Kitazakura I can see hanging around for another stab at getting back. Miyabiyama I'm sure will be ok. Not sure about Kaiho but he's breaking even after four days so don't write him off yet!

Jejima Dai-yokozuna

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The greatest "salt thrower" (Another year older...) , former Maegashira 9 Kitazakura ...hmmm, I think, if he will not repromoted to Juryo after this Basho he will go intai.

The greatest salt thrower was Mitiozumi - who gave his blessing to Kitazakura when he wanted to copy his style.

madorosumaru Yokozuna

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The greatest "salt tosser" or, at least, the originator of that antic was former sekiwake Wakachichibu, who subsequently became Sekinoto Oyakata and Tokiwayama Oyakata before retiring from the Kyokai in 2004.

Wakachichibu came up to makuuchi as a 19-year-old and won the Kanto-sho with a 12-3 record in his debut basho. He was immensely popular because he was a "big, fat kid" in the YMY mold with the added innocent charm of Shibuya/Fujiazuma (as related in the stories by Tooyama in the Tamanoi Blog).

He would grab a huge handful of salt and fling it high up towards the roof of the dohyo. The spectators would roar in delight, especially when he faced fellow big-body Dewashishiki, whose "toss" consisted of a mere pinch of salt rubbed off between his fingers.

Asashosakari Dai-yokozuna

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Wasn't there somebody who seemed to be emulating the big salt throw a few basho ago, perhaps as the designated Kitazakura successor? I'm tempted to say Masatsukasa, but maybe I'm totally confused right now.

XiaoTan Komusubi

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I am tempted to say yes it's Masatsukasa. In the only tournament I had the pleasure to watch live, I distinctly remember Masatsukasa coming closest in throwing the salt. Neko

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Vikanohara Ozeki

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...and Chiyotaikai? I don't know.

My opinion: If he loses his Ozeki rank, he will try to get it back next Basho

I always thought one needed more than one basho to promote to the Ozeki rank. Or does it work differently for a former Ozeki ?

Randomitsuki Yokozuna

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I always thought one needed more than one basho to promote to the Ozeki rank. Or does it work differently for a former Ozeki ?

Yes, it does. A kadoban-Ozeki who goes make-koshi has a one-shot chance at immediate re-promotion. The requirement for re-promotion is 10 wins.

kame Makushita

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Add Tosanoumi to this list... He's doing good this tourney but at 37 he can't have more than 5 or 6 basho left in him.

beldin Mae-zumo

beldin

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A question.

If Dejima retires will he get a Jun Toshiyori rank as a former Ozeki.

When Tochiazuma retired he got it for 3 years.

Or is it just for when a current Yokozuna or Ozeki retires.

Asashosakari Dai-yokozuna

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Or is it just for when a current (...) Ozeki retires.

No, it's available for anybody who has held the ozeki rank in his career. The bigger question is whether he'll be "allowed" to take it, as it's semi-official knowledge that he already owns a regular toshiyori (Onaruto, lent to ex-Buyuzan), and it hasn't really been tested whether a rikishi can take a jun-toshiyori and continue to rent out his regular share, even if that arrangement might be preferable to those involved.

Tikozan Komusubi

Tikozan

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Add Tosanoumi to this list... He's doing good this tourney but at 37 he can't have more than 5 or 6 basho left in him.

You're right.

My opinion: If he falls to Makushita he would go intai. But he looks good and he will stay the next bashos.

Tikozan Komusubi

Tikozan

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New candidates:

Toyozakura (35y) has started 0-5 and with a high MK (1-14 or 2:13) he could demoted to Makushita.

Tamarikido (35y) former Maegashira 8 now at Makushita 25.

ryafuji Ozeki

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New candidates:

Toyozakura (35y) has started 0-5 and with a high MK (1-14 or 2:13) he could demoted to Makushita.

Tamarikido (35y) former Maegashira 8 now at Makushita 25.

Not sure about either of those. Toyozakura was in makuuchi as recently as last tournament, and Tamarikido hasn't been at a sekitori rank since September 2007 so it's not a new position for him to be in by any means.

Tikozan Komusubi

Tikozan

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New candidates:

Toyozakura (35y) has started 0-5 and with a high MK (1-14 or 2:13) he could demoted to Makushita.

Tamarikido (35y) former Maegashira 8 now at Makushita 25.

Not sure about either of those. Toyozakura was in makuuchi as recently as last tournament, and Tamarikido hasn't been at a sekitori rank since September 2007 so it's not a new position for him to be in by any means.

On the other hand, Toyozakura would not end his career earlier than his older brother B-)

Asashosakari Dai-yokozuna

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Not sure about either of those. Toyozakura was in makuuchi as recently as last tournament ...

And by the same token, Tosanoumi's a bit of an odd choice for whom to predict <= 6 basho till career end, too. Maybe we should wait until he actually records his first-ever MK as a juryo rikishi before sounding the death knell there...

ryafuji Ozeki

ryafuji

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Not sure about either of those. Toyozakura was in makuuchi as recently as last tournament ...

And by the same token, Tosanoumi's a bit of an odd choice for whom to predict <= 6 basho till career end, too. Maybe we should wait until he actually records his first-ever MK as a juryo rikishi before sounding the death knell there...

Agreed. I did read an interview in which he said he'd retire if he fell to makushita but as he's made an immediate return to makuuchi on the four previous occasions he's fallen to juryo I think we're some way off that point.

Itachi Yokozuna

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Wasn't there somebody who seemed to be emulating the big salt throw a few basho ago, perhaps as the designated Kitazakura successor? I'm tempted to say Masatsukasa, but maybe I'm totally confused right now.

Didn't Asanowaka do a bit of enthusiastic salt throwing as well?

Gernobono Yokozuna

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it is just a new name, but i guess miyabiyama is a real candidate for intai untel natsu 2010

he is losing power every basho and i doubt he will compete in juryo.....

Kuroyama Ozeki

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it is just a new name, but i guess miyabiyama is a real candidate for intai untel natsu 2010

he is losing power every basho and i doubt he will compete in juryo.....

As another ex-Ozeki, he will certainly not compete in Juryo.

ryafuji Ozeki

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Didn't Asanowaka do a bit of enthusiastic salt throwing as well?

Yeah, he would bustle in and throw a big handful straight down on the ground in a way that must be unique, I think.

Asameshimae Komusubi

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Didn't Asanowaka do a bit of enthusiastic salt throwing as well?

Yeah, he would bustle in and throw a big handful straight down on the ground in a way that must be unique, I think.

Yeah, I appreciated Asanowaka's umph and his try at a signature "entry" into the ring for tachiai; but his approach lacked something.

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