shimodahito Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 good day all, before i make my request, i just want to say that moti's web page sparked my curiosity on this topic. i'm trying to get a photo of the first gaijin (foreign) rikishis from each represented country. sort of a who's who of imported rikishi pioneers. i'd also like a short (paragraph or two) brief on their career highlights, notable events during their life, real name, hometown, and maybe how they got involved with sumo enough to make the trip to japan. if they are no longer in sumo, i'd like to know how/why they left. getting pictures and info of the ones that never really moved up the banzuke will be the hardest part. here's my guess on who was the first. argentina - hoshitango or hoshiandesu? brazil - wakaazuma or ikemori (kuniazuma)? bulgaria - kotosho canada - kototenka (i've got enough info and pix on him) china - nakao? czech republic - takanoyama georgia - kokkai (i've got the picture) kazakstan - i've got to wait until the new kid gets on a banzuke......moti will need a new color for his home page :) korea - kimu (kasugao)? if so, i've got the picture. there may be controversy here because there may have been japanese of korean descent or japanese born in korea before. let's just stick with the first korean from korea....and then maybe add some footnotes. mongolia - kyokushuzan (i've got enough info and pix on him) peru - nagai russia - orora tonga - minaminoshima and hisanoumi united states - takamiyama (i've got enough info and pix on him) western samoa - nankairyu (i've got enough info and pix on him) i'd also like to know about wakanami yoshimitsu from karafuto (sakhalin). he made it to M19 sometime between 1935 and 1942. was he the first from karafuto? is yokozuna taiho from hokkaido or sakhalin? is sumo still popular on sakhalin? or better yet, was it ever popular? maybe wakanami was just a rare exception. finally, were these two japanese, or ainu? thanks. shimodahito.
Kotoseiya Yuichi Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 I've understood Taiho was born on Karafuto. His father was (is?) Ukrainian and mother Japanese. Interesting project you have. :-P
Kotoseiya Yuichi Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 (edited) canada - kototenka (i've got enough info and pix on him) Kototenta, later Kototenzan. For more about him. Also Nathan Strange of Britain aka Hidenokuni of Azumazeki-beya, not to be mixed with a later sekitori Hidenokuni of Magaki-beya. Also, Bulgarian Kotooshu (not Kotosho) of Sadogatake-beya. Very interesting to see his progress. B-) Edited October 12, 2003 by Kotoseiya Yuichi
Manekineko Posted October 14, 2003 Posted October 14, 2003 For the benefit of that shikona-list of mine (as started by Kintamayama-zeki, (Whistling...) ), I'd be interested to learn: is there a list of *all* foreign rikishi of *all* time somewhere on the web? Kinta-zeki, feel free to hit me over the head if it is all available on your page someplace. B-) Also, if you already incorporated all these foreigners in the list yourself... ;-) Thank you. (Blinking...)
Kintamayama Posted October 14, 2003 Posted October 14, 2003 is there a list of *all* foreign rikishi of *all* time somewhere on the web? Kinta-zeki, feel free to hit me over the head if it is all available on your page someplace. (Blinking...) Also, if you already incorporated all these foreigners in the list yourself... (Whistling...) I wish there were.. And I think i have all current foreigners save the last two that entered in the dictionary, I think..
Fujisan Posted October 14, 2003 Posted October 14, 2003 To tie it down even further as far as Hidenokuni Nathan Strange is concerned he was English and joined the Azumazeki stable in June 1989 but didnt stay long cos he didnt like the training techniques- I would also love to see a picture.
shimodahito Posted October 20, 2003 Author Posted October 20, 2003 thanks all, this is a good start. i didn't know about mr. strange. did he compete in any basho? what was his final record and highest rank? does anyone have anything on the other gaijin's i mentioned? - shimodahito
Yoavoshimaru Posted October 20, 2003 Posted October 20, 2003 Are you planning to make your results publicly available on the web, shimodahito-zeki?
Kotoseiya Yuichi Posted October 20, 2003 Posted October 20, 2003 To cite myself about Nathan Strange: ------------- There was an 18-year old Englishman called Nathan Strange who wore the shikona of Hidenokuni Hajime in 1989. The kanji used on his shikona apparently used the very same kanji England is written with. The whole shikona could be translated as "England's first". He was introduced to ozumo by no one else but Syd Hoare (the English sumo commentator of Eurosport). He lasted for three basho and got his kachikoshi on each of those but apparently he got tired of all the mundane stuff that accompanies a young toriteki in every heya and quit. ------------- It seems he hailed from Herne Bay, Essex.
Usagi Posted November 16, 2003 Posted November 16, 2003 A picture of Orora is to be found here. And some moe info, if you're able to read russian... http://www.japantoday.ru/sumo/pic/orora.jpg Sumo on Sakhalin? I guess no, as the Japanes People were banned from the island after World War 2 and Stalin braught people from Russia and the Ucraine to Sakhalin.
Manekineko Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 It's not strictly on-topic, but hey, reuse-recycle! (Second prize...) I'm looking for kanji of these gaijin shikona: Kaishinzan, later renamed Sentoryu. Two Brasilians: Ryuko and Kitaazuma. Korean Ryuukiyama. All for the greater glory of Moti's and mine wee shikona EDICT dic.
Kintamayama Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 (edited) It's not strictly on-topic, but hey, reuse-recycle! (Second prize...)I'm looking for kanji of these gaijin shikona: Ryuukiyama- 龍樹山 -He's still there at Sandanme east 64, but listed as Tokyo shusshin.. Kitaazuma - 北東 Kaishinzan - 魁心山 Ryuukou (Ikemori) - 龍興 Edited November 25, 2003 by Kintamayama
Yoavoshimaru Posted November 26, 2003 Posted November 26, 2003 Kintamayama-zeki: as a fellow Israel struggling to learn Japanese, I must concur with Manekineko-zeki's sentiments: (Help me...) (Annoyed...)
Kintamayama Posted November 26, 2003 Posted November 26, 2003 Kintamayama-zeki: as a fellow Israel struggling to learn Japanese, I must concur with Manekineko-zeki's sentiments: (Help me...) (Annoyed...) It's no big deal. I don't know these shikonas by heart. I know the simple writing, I have the archives, cut and paste..For all I know, it may be saying" My grandmother is a tractor".
shimodahito Posted December 21, 2003 Author Posted December 21, 2003 good day all, sorry...i've been away from the forum for awhile. i've moved, and i'm trying to get settled into my new digs....ulaanbaatar. i still want to work on this project about the first gaijins of sumo. anyone know about that kid who came from peru to become a short-lived rikishi? -shimodahito
Kintamayama Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 good day all, sorry...i've been away from the forum for awhile. i've moved, and i'm trying to get settled into my new digs....ulaanbaatar. i still want to work on this project about the first gaijins of sumo. anyone know about that kid who came from peru to become a short-lived rikishi? -shimodahito All I know is that his shikona was Nakao, and that he was really young..
Kotoseiya Yuichi Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 Joe Kuroda's SML posting from March 7th, 1999: And another follow-up to the Health Clinic story. A Peruvian, actually Sansei (third-generation Japanese-Peruvian), has passed the minimum standard test as well - the first Peruvian to enter the sumo world. He is 15 years old Osamu Nagai, currently living in Kobe Prefecture near Osaka. He came to Japan eight years ago with his father Manuel and Peruvian mother Elva (sp ?). He has been actively participating in junior sumo since he was in Grade 5 and in Grade 6, 8 and 9 he won the Kobe Junior Sumo Championship. "Sumo (basho) is shown via satellite in Peru. I want to do well so my grandmother in Peru can see me and make her happy," said the young Nagai. (From Osaka Nikkan Sports, March 7, 1999)
Naganoyama Posted December 22, 2003 Posted December 22, 2003 Out of interest, why are there so many Japanese in South America? I was in Peru a few years back and there were many Japanese there. A friend who went to Brazil commented the same thing about Brazil. Surely the living standard in Japan is higher than any South American country? (Sorry, off topic)
Zuikakuyama Posted December 22, 2003 Posted December 22, 2003 South American countries were one of the few nations that did not actively discriminate against or prohibit Japanese immigration. I think some of this openb attitude can been seen by the fact that Fujimori became the president of Peru. Also, the economic conditions in the late 1800's were not good due to its transformation from an agriculturally-based society into an industrial one.
Naganoyama Posted December 23, 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 (edited) Thanks for that Zuikakuyama-san. It makes good sense now. Edited December 23, 2003 by Naganoyama
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