Mark Buckton Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 Hate to break up the chipper party, but did anyone see day 5 Asa bout? I think he got robbed.... looked to me like his opponent touched first, not Asa! Good match though!Jake On the other hand I think you stated that you are pretty new to sumo, right? Isn't it a bit daft then to speak of "robbery" before knowing the sport a bit better? Give the guy a break Alex. ;-) Even when you know the sport as well as you do, you make errors, we all do.
Mark Buckton Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 not directly related but today / yesterday - just heard it - a man in Kyoto was sentenced to 18 month (suspended) for aiding in the distribution of footage that appeared on TV. No details yet but it will likely appear somewhere. The fact is, as much as people gripe about fair use etc / not harming etc / payment / donations etc - Japan is taking action now as part of its battle to protect ownership. If the people here feel strongly enough - do something. Something that will bring footage to you legally - even at cost. Letters are one thing, national organisation is another with your own TV stations. It is the effort most are not willing to go to that keeps sumo beyond reach. Oftentimes those same folk are only too happy to complain about that they have taken away - as they wait for others to fix the situation. Having reread the whole thread, it appears the cost is the key point. People are really not willing to pay for that they 'expect' to receive for nothing. Support sumo, be willing to pay for the pleasure you attain from it. :-(
Kintamayama Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) Having reread the whole thread, it appears the cost is the key point. People are really not willing to pay for that they 'expect' to receive for nothing. Support sumo, be willing to pay for the pleasure you attain from it. :-( I think you've got it wrong. Many people who have some sort of possibility to watch it live on real TV like TV Japan do pay for it, and pay handsomely. The problem is with the overwhelming majority here, who don't have that possibility, unless it's buying a dish and going overboard with expenses, something not all of us are capable of. I'm convinced that if we had a good Internet alternative ( and I mean good- with commentary, replays, interviews etc..) the overwhelming majority would have no problem paying for it. Nobody wants to do anything illegal, but faced with no alternative, that's what we do. As for writing letters to local TV stations etc.., I suggest you ask your NHK/NSK friends why they are asking for totally impossible prices for broadcasting. I was involved in an attempt to get rights to the stuff here, but everyone gave up because it was impossible to start any kind of negotiations. Either they are just not interested, or they are working together with TV Japan to give them exclusive world domination. See Eurosport and the sudden ceasing of broadcast there after many years. I must say your post was surprisingly naive, if you think letters would help outside of Japan. The interest in sumo nation-wide in the foreign countries is so miniscule, you wouldn't even be noticed. Edited July 25, 2008 by Kintamayama
Mark Buckton Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Having reread the whole thread, it appears the cost is the key point. People are really not willing to pay for that they 'expect' to receive for nothing. Support sumo, be willing to pay for the pleasure you attain from it. :-( I suggest you ask your NHK/NSK friends why they are asking for totally impossible prices for broadcasting. I was involved in an attempt to get rights to the stuff here, but everyone gave up because it was impossible to start any kind of negotiations. have no friends per se in NHK - folk I know and can speak to but no-one in the decision making area connected to this. Why was it impossible to start?
ilovesumo Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 I am with Kinta. I also tried to get the ear of German TV-station. Eurosport just stopped cause of you know who... DSF - German Sports TV - answered something like -Sumo is not a matter of DSF so we will never show it- You know what they show instead? Stupid call in quizzz shows all day and night...less and less sports. There would be no problem if there would be a market...that's how the world works. We all know that. We are a few persons in each country. Not enough to be a market. Forget about TV...we need something online for ALL of us, something central. If we can pay with pay pal - I would.
Kintamayama Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Why was it impossible to start? Because whoever we contacted either didn't answer, or passed us on to someone else, who in turn said we came to the wrong place . We couldn't get past that stage. As for the price, we got our info from other TV stations in Europe, and we couldn't even verify them, as no one would answer..
Mark Buckton Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) two interesting answers but I would ask why did you stop there? ilovesumo and I disagree on much but I know she loves sumo as much as me. So why not get the German fanbase organised Verena and plan something online and approach the NHK/NSK people. They will them know you exist even if you are not successful first time Moti - same again - keep pushing. The only reason SFM (and i elsewhere in the day job) gets sekitori interviews now is our unwillingness to say 'no ginger' and call it a day early on - we kept pushing. We are now lucky enough to get any interview we ask for - touch wood thus far. Not yet refused. Edited July 25, 2008 by Mark Buckton
Mark Buckton Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Eurosport just stopped cause of you know who... no - I don't - who?
Kintamayama Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Moti - same again - keep pushing. It's quite difficult to push when we can't find the body that we're supposed to push. We get pushed around from body to body like hot potatoes.
Mark Buckton Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Moti - same again - keep pushing. It's quite difficult to push when we can't find the body that we're supposed to push. We get pushed around from body to body like hot potatoes. so you push every body that is put in your way - and you know the NSK contact info. (if not, let me know) CC them on everything.
Gusoyama Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 Is there any way we could come up with a petition/suggestion/plan as a sumo forum group, or even a combined Sumo Forum/Sumo Talk conglomerate to suggest to NSK that recording and making their daily feed available online would be worth their effort? Surely it can't be too hard to take their daily sumo coverage, and make it digital, and I'd be willing to pay say...$1/day for the right to watch it on demand. $1/day * 15 days * 50 people = $750. Wow, when I put it like that, maybe it ISN'T worth their time. :-D
Jakusotsu Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 $1/day * 15 days * 50 people = $750. Wow, when I put it like that, maybe it ISN'T worth their time. :-D ...and I doubt you'll find 50 people willing to pay 90$ per year for a web feed.
HenryK Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) For what it's worth, I made my "donation" to I-S and enjoyed the basho wholeheartedly (in fact, I had thought about making a donation to that site earlier, but this pushed me over the threshold... :-D . His is a beautiful high-quality service and I don't see why I should not pay for this. And if I-S gets himself into legal difficulties this is his problem, not mine. Edited July 29, 2008 by HenryK
Gusoyama Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 This said, apparently I-S can't offer the same service in September. If so, it would have been better to say this before asking people to pay up -- at the time he stated donors would be able to see all future bahos. I probably would have paid up anyway, but feel slightly wrongfooted now. This was the main reason I did NOT pay up this basho. I want a clearer explanation of what I'm getting for my shekels.
HenryK Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) This said, apparently I-S can't offer the same service in September. If so, it would have been better to say this before asking people to pay up -- at the time he stated donors would be able to see all future bahos. I probably would have paid up anyway, but feel slightly wrongfooted now. This was the main reason I did NOT pay up this basho. I want a clearer explanation of what I'm getting for my shekels. Seems I misunderstood I-S and he never said the shekels would be for all future bashos. I apologize if I have given a misleading impression. Edited July 29, 2008 by HenryK
Info-Sumo Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) This was the main reason I did NOT pay up this basho. I want a clearer explanation of what I'm getting for my shekels. If you expect to get things with shekels, you take it the wrong way. If you are satisfied with a service you experienced for a long time (let's say 3 years - seems serious...) then you act and may be you get a bonus service. You won't buy anything, you will only show a kind of support for what you got in the past. May be bonus! (well all the time bonuses!!!) Except in september: I will be away from sumo video work ... To conclude: As I am not doing this for money I may refuse any new membership that would be based on "buying services". I prefer 1 Edited July 31, 2008 by Info-Sumo
Gusoyama Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I think I heard that same speech the last time I went to a pachinko parlor, but I get what you're saying.
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