Randomitsuki Posted July 13, 2008 Author Posted July 13, 2008 Here is the scoreboard for Nagoya Basho: Wow, that's how I love those waves. Nine out of the top 10 players were using different picks. While Manekineko will try to stay in Juryo, her closest pursuers rely on quite different strategies, among them Gernobono's gambit of not picking at all (who knows, it might turn out to be a clever move). Rank Shikona Surfs Position Standing 1. Manekineko Aran J14e 0-0 2. Gernobono* DNP (1st) ms3w N/A 3. Zentoryu Shotenro ms4e 0-0 4. sashimaru* Hokutokuni ms4w 0-0 5. Imumaru* Yamasaki ms11w 0-0 6. charliki Yamasaki ms11w 0-0 7. Jakusotsu*** Kotoyutaka ms13e 0-0 8. Azumaryu Satoyama ms14e 0-0 9. Golynohana Hochiyama ms14w 0-0 10. Konosato Kitazono/Hakiai ms16w/ms20w 0-0/0-0 11. Kaiowaka*** Hakiai ms20w 0-0 12. Randomitsuki Takakoyama ms22e 0-0 13. Tamanaogijima Takakoyama ms22e 0-0 14. Susanoo* Kyokushuho ms29e 0-0 15. Doitsuyama Arawashi ms30w 0-0 16. Asafan** Terashita ms32e 0-0 17. Itachi Terashita ms32e 0-0 18. Mmikasazuma** Kaisei ms35w 0-0 19. Asashosakari Kaisei ms35w 0-0 20. Oshirokita Tochifudo ms39e 0-0 21. Frinkanohana* Hokutoiwa ms53e 0-0 22. Ganzohnesushi* Ogata ms58w 0-0 23. Profomisakari* Ogata ms58w 0-0 24. Exil Masunofuji sd3e 0-0 25. Kachitakai Toshinyama sd7w 0-0 26. Fujisan Yamatofuji sd10w 0-0 27. yamaneko*** Fukao sd30e 0-0 28. Andoreasu*** Fukao sd30e 0-0 29. Takanorappa* Akai sd41e 0-0 30. Zenjimoto Kawanari sd45w 0-0 31. Zeokage** DNP (1st) sd47e N/A 32. Jejima DNP (1st) sd73w N/A 33. Mattjila*** Tochikasuga sd83e 0-0 34. Fay*** Aotsurugi sd83w 0-0 35. Bealzbob*** Homarefuji sd85e 0-0 36. Vikanohara*** Homarefuji sd85e 0-0 37. Washuyama*** DNP (1st) sd85e N/A 38. Gusoyama* Homarefuji sd85e 0-0 39. Holleshoryu Tamadaito jd31w 0-0 40. GONZABUROW*** Kamei jd62w 0-0 41. Hironoumi*** Kamei jd62w 0-0 42. Hidariashiyama*** Akinoyama jd109w 0-0 43. Terarno Sasayama jk11w 0-0 44. Harry** Enshuda/Ozakiumi jk20e/jk36e 0-0/0-0
Gernobono Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 i forgot to pick one..... as the first day makushita is not on the run at the moment it might be possible to still pick a rikishi if so, i would pick hokutokuni.....
Jejima Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 I didn't forget to pick - I just left it until too late (Singing drunk...) Very sorry that I am not entered in any of the Surfing Waves this basho, but I will buy a new board, and come out even stronger in September :)
Randomitsuki Posted July 13, 2008 Author Posted July 13, 2008 i forgot to pick one.....as the first day makushita is not on the run at the moment it might be possible to still pick a rikishi if so, i would pick hokutokuni..... I'm sorry, but that's too late. I know that the top Makushita bouts hadn't started when you posted this, but I don't want to set too many precedents for late entries. I would not want the extra work to determine at what point in time a given bout was held, whether the stream was available at that time etc.. Banzuke Surfing definitely begins when the first Jonokuchi bout on shonichi has begun. The time between the deadline and the begin of Jonokuchi is a grey area where I usually take a late entry into regard (see sekihiryu's late entry), but I won't make any exceptions for later entries. If I have ever done this in the past, it was a mistake.
Gernobono Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 i forgot to pick one.....as the first day makushita is not on the run at the moment it might be possible to still pick a rikishi if so, i would pick hokutokuni..... I'm sorry, but that's too late. I know that the top Makushita bouts hadn't started when you posted this, but I don't want to set too many precedents for late entries. I would not want the extra work to determine at what point in time a given bout was held, whether the stream was available at that time etc.. Banzuke Surfing definitely begins when the first Jonokuchi bout on shonichi has begun. The time between the deadline and the begin of Jonokuchi is a grey area where I usually take a late entry into regard (see sekihiryu's late entry), but I won't make any exceptions for later entries. If I have ever done this in the past, it was a mistake. i fully agree with you.....do not set too many predecents....... i just made a guess "in case"....... there is enough time to make a guess in time, but this basho i thought of entering a guess more than one time, but when i entered all my picks for various games i just missed out on banzukesurfing....
Randomitsuki Posted July 18, 2008 Author Posted July 18, 2008 Standings after day 6: Sorry, no time for estimated standings today. I have a good feeling that Manekineko will stay in Juryo. As it looks right now, Tosayutaka would have been an even better pick, but who would have known that in advance? Makushita is quite difficult this time, and half of all picks in that division went downhill so far. That's good news for Gernobono whose undesigned kyujo keeps him in second place. At the moment, Jakusotsu takes over third place in virtual standings. Rank Shikona Surfs Position Standing 1. Manekineko Aran J14e 4-2 2. Gernobono* DNP (1st) ms3w N/A 3. Zentoryu Shotenro ms4e 1-2 4. sashimaru* Hokutokuni ms4w 1-2 5. Imumaru* Yamasaki ms11w 2-1 6. charliki Yamasaki ms11w 2-1 7. Jakusotsu*** Kotoyutaka ms13e 3-0 8. Azumaryu Satoyama ms14e 2-1 9. Golynohana Hochiyama ms14w 1-2 10. Konosato Kitazono/Hakiai ms16w/ms20w 0-3/1-2 11. Kaiowaka*** Hakiai ms20w 1-2 12. Randomitsuki Takakoyama ms22e 1-2 13. Tamanaogijima Takakoyama ms22e 1-2 14. Susanoo* Kyokushuho ms29e 1-2 15. Doitsuyama Arawashi ms30w 2-1 16. Asafan** Terashita ms32e 1-2 17. Itachi Terashita ms32e 1-2 18. Mmikasazuma** Kaisei ms35w 2-1 19. Asashosakari Kaisei ms35w 2-1 20. Oshirokita Tochifudo ms39e 2-1 21. Frinkanohana* Hokutoiwa ms53e 2-1 22. Ganzohnesushi* Ogata ms58w 3-0 23. Profomisakari* Ogata ms58w 3-0 24. Exil Masunofuji sd3e 1-2 25. Kachitakai Toshinyama sd7w 1-2 26. Fujisan Yamatofuji sd10w 1-2 27. yamaneko*** Fukao sd30e 3-0 28. Andoreasu*** Fukao sd30e 3-0 29. Takanorappa* Akai sd41e 2-1 30. Zenjimoto Kawanari sd45w 0-3 31. Zeokage** DNP (1st) sd47e N/A 32. Jejima DNP (1st) sd73w N/A 33. Mattjila*** Tochikasuga sd83e 1-2 34. Fay*** Aotsurugi sd83w 2-1 35. Bealzbob*** Homarefuji sd85e 3-0 36. Vikanohara*** Homarefuji sd85e 3-0 37. Washuyama*** DNP (1st) sd85e N/A 38. Gusoyama* Homarefuji sd85e 3-0 39. Holleshoryu Tamadaito jd31w 3-0 40. GONZABUROW*** Kamei jd62w 3-0 41. Hironoumi*** Kamei jd62w 3-0 42. Hidariashiyama*** Akinoyama jd109w 2-1 43. Terarno Sasayama jk11w 3-0 44. Harry** Enshuda/Ozakiumi jk20e/jk36e 1-2/3-0
Randomitsuki Posted July 22, 2008 Author Posted July 22, 2008 Standings after day 10: If I remember correctly we had four forays into Juryo in the history of Banzuke Surfing. However, until now nobody managed to stay in the division. Subjectively I have the feeling as if J9 or J10 is the crucial spot. Once you are in that territory, it might be relatively easy to stay in Juryo or move up towards Makuuchi. However, nobody has managed to escape the bottleneck of low Juryo. This might change this basho with Manekineko cruising towards single-digit Juryo. Apart from her progress, little has changed in the last four days, i.e. most picks went 1-1 and the situation is as before. The notable exception near the top of the standings is Azumaryu whose Satoyama advanced from 2-1 to 4-1. That amounts to fourth place in virtual standings (behind Manekineko, Gernobono, and Jakusotsu). Rank Shikona Surfs Position Standing 1. Manekineko Aran J14e 7-3 2. Gernobono* DNP (1st) ms3w N/A 3. Zentoryu Shotenro ms4e 2-3 4. sashimaru* Hokutokuni ms4w 2-3 5. Imumaru* Yamasaki ms11w 3-2 6. charliki Yamasaki ms11w 3-2 7. Jakusotsu*** Kotoyutaka ms13e 4-1 8. Azumaryu Satoyama ms14e 4-1 9. Golynohana Hochiyama ms14w 2-3 10. Konosato Kitazono/Hakiai ms16w/ms20w 0-5/2-3 11. Kaiowaka*** Hakiai ms20w 2-3 12. Randomitsuki Takakoyama ms22e 1-4 13. Tamanaogijima Takakoyama ms22e 1-4 14. Susanoo* Kyokushuho ms29e 1-4 15. Doitsuyama Arawashi ms30w 3-2 16. Asafan** Terashita ms32e 2-3 17. Itachi Terashita ms32e 2-3 18. Mmikasazuma** Kaisei ms35w 3-2 19. Asashosakari Kaisei ms35w 3-2 20. Oshirokita Tochifudo ms39e 3-2 21. Frinkanohana* Hokutoiwa ms53e 3-2 22. Ganzohnesushi* Ogata ms58w 4-1 23. Profomisakari* Ogata ms58w 4-1 24. Exil Masunofuji sd3e 3-2 25. Kachitakai Toshinyama sd7w 2-3 26. Fujisan Yamatofuji sd10w 3-2 27. yamaneko*** Fukao sd30e 5-0 28. Andoreasu*** Fukao sd30e 5-0 29. Takanorappa* Akai sd41e 4-1 30. Zenjimoto Kawanari sd45w 1-4 31. Zeokage** DNP (1st) sd47e N/A 32. Jejima DNP (1st) sd73w N/A 33. Mattjila*** Tochikasuga sd83e 2-3 34. Fay*** Aotsurugi sd83w 4-1 35. Bealzbob*** Homarefuji sd85e 5-0 36. Vikanohara*** Homarefuji sd85e 5-0 37. Washuyama*** DNP (1st) sd85e N/A 38. Gusoyama* Homarefuji sd85e 5-0 39. Holleshoryu Tamadaito jd31w 3-2 40. GONZABUROW*** Kamei jd62w 5-0 41. Hironoumi*** Kamei jd62w 5-0 42. Hidariashiyama*** Akinoyama jd109w 3-2 43. Terarno Sasayama jk11w 5-0 44. Harry** Enshuda/Ozakiumi jk20e/jk36e 3-2/5-0
Randomitsuki Posted July 27, 2008 Author Posted July 27, 2008 Final standings and estimated positions on Aki Banzuke: Manekineko has entered single-digit Juryo. I think that provides excellent chances to survive in Juryo for good. Second place is way too close to tell. In a cointoss I decided to go with Zentoryu who henka'd himself from 2-3 to 4-3 in a nice turnaround. But it could as well be Azumaryu and his Makushita yusho winner Satoyama. Many other decisions are very close, particularly in mid-Makushita where my estimations aren't that good to begin with: Rank Shikona Surfs Position Standing Estimate 1. Manekineko Aran J14e 10-5 J8e 2. Zentoryu Shotenro ms4e 4-3 ms2e 3. Azumaryu Satoyama ms14e 6-1 ms2w 4. Gernobono* DNP (1st) ms3w N/A ms3w 5. Imumaru* Yamasaki ms11w 5-2 ms5w 6. charliki Yamasaki ms11w 5-2 ms5w 7. Jakusotsu*** Kotoyutaka ms13e 5-2 ms7e 8. sashimaru* Hokutokuni ms4w 3-4 ms7w 9. Golynohana Hochiyama ms14w 4-3 ms11w 10. Doitsuyama Arawashi ms30w 4-3 ms24w 11. Mmikasazuma** Kaisei ms35w 4-3 ms29w 12. Asashosakari Kaisei ms35w 4-3 ms29w 13. Konosato Kitazono/Hakiai ms16w/ms20w 0-7/3-4 ms29w 14. Kaiowaka*** Hakiai ms20w 3-4 ms29w 15. Oshirokita Tochifudo ms39e 4-3 ms31e 16. Randomitsuki Takakoyama ms22e 2-5 ms37e 17. Tamanaogijima Takakoyama ms22e 2-5 ms37e 18. Ganzohnesushi* Ogata ms58e 5-2 ms40e 19. Profomisakari* Ogata ms58e 5-2 ms40e 20. Asafan** Terashita ms32e 3-4 ms41e 21. Itachi Terashita ms32e 3-4 ms41e 22. Frinkanohana* Hokutoiwa ms53e 4-3 ms44e 23. Susanoo* Kyokushuho ms29e 2-5 ms47e 24. yamaneko*** Fukao sd30e 6-1 ms48e 25. Andoreasu*** Fukao sd30e 6-1 ms48e 26. Bealzbob*** Homarefuji sd85e 7-0 ms51e 27. Vikanohara*** Homarefuji sd85e 7-0 ms51e 28. Gusoyama* Homarefuji sd85e 7-0 ms51e 29. Exil Masunofuji sd3e 4-3 ms55e 30. Fujisan Yamatofuji sd10w 4-3 ms60w 31. Takanorappa* Akai sd41e 5-2 sd16e 32. Fay*** Aotsurugi sd83w 6-1 sd23w 33. Kachitakai Toshinyama sd7w 2-5 sd32w 34. Zeokage** DNP (1st) sd47e N/A sd47e 35. Zenjimoto Kawanari sd45w 3-4 sd60w 36. GONZABUROW*** Kamei jd62w 7-0 sd62w 37. Hironoumi*** Kamei jd62w 7-0 sd62w 38. Jejima DNP (1st) sd73w N/A sd73w 39. Washuyama*** DNP (1st) sd85e N/A sd85e 40. Mattjila*** Tochikasuga sd83e 3-4 sd98e 41. Harry** Enshunada/Ozakiumi jk20e/jk36e 4-3/7-0 jd36e 42. Terarno Sasayama jk11w 6-1 jd46w 43. Holleshoryu Tamadaito jd31w 3-4 jd51w 44. Hidariashiyama*** Akinoyama jd109w 3-4 jd119w
Zentoryu Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Zentoryu who henka'd himself from 2-3 to 4-3 in a nice turnaround. Hey, I didn't do the henka'ing. I can't be held responsible for the quality of sumo displayed by my pick. :-)
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