Salarycap Sumo Banzukemaker wanted

[Gusoyama]

The results this basho were so wacky, I don't think I can make a proper banzuke. Of course, I will give it a shot, but if anyone wants to take a shot at banzukemaking for Salarycap Sumo, I'd be happy to listen to any suggestions. Having a komosubi with 0-15 and a ms2 with 15-0 has really led to hell in mid-low makuuchi. For any takers, I'd be glad to provide results in an excel spreadsheet.

[Zeokage]

Just in case anyone does have a go (I'm going to, but I suck at banzuke), who has kosho status? There are 3 people at ms20 (mabunkiyo, Akisame, Ruziklao), and Akisame isn't on the banzuke. ms40 is also a little confusing and there's a huge gap to ms50.

I think part of the problem is the scoring, how the W/L records are made. They're almost too regular for each record, doesn't the real life sumo have more middling records than the extreme 13-15 wins/losses?

Edited December 29, 2007 by Zeokage

[Asashosakari]

I think part of the problem is the scoring, how the W/L records are made. They're almost too regular for each record, doesn't the real life sumo have more middling records than the extreme 13-15 wins/losses?

Yeah. The "problem" is that Salarycap's scores are pretty strongly driven by the points scored by the best-possible picks...sometimes there are only three or four of them (and a couple of those may be rarely selected, like Toyonoshima in January), but this time there were quite a lot of them with seven rikishi scoring 43+ points (Hakuho 84, Baruto 77, Chiyotaikai 62, Tokitenku 48, Ama 45, Dejima 45, Kotoshogiku 43) and I think they were all fairly popular. The best players probably had four or five of them, and the worst perhaps just one or even none, so the scoring spread is very wide this time. And apparently relatively many players fell into one of the extremes.

FWIW, the "real" scoring distribution looks like this (1989-2007):

W-L	Maku	Juryo
15-0	0.3%	0.1%
14-1	1.2%	0.2%
13-2	2.2%	0.6%
12-3	2.7%	2.0%
11-4	4.1%	3.9%
10-5	7.8%	8.0%
9-6	13.8%	16.9%
8-7	22.3%	23.6%
7-8	12.6%	14.3%
6-9	12.7%	14.9%
5-10	9.6%	8.0%
4-11	6.9%	3.9%
3-12	2.6%	2.0%
2-13	1.1%	1.0%
1-14	0.3%	0.5%
0-15	0.1%	0.1%

Edit: I forgot to mention, these are based on completed basho only, i.e. without all 3-9-3 etc. results.

Edited December 29, 2007 by Asashosakari

[Gusoyama]

The results were odd this time, unfortunately, I agree. As Doitsuyama said, there's a big tendency for scores to group in SCS when popular rikishi do well or poorly.

As far as I know, there are no players with kosho status.

And with regards to the ms40-50, the ms50 was a misprint, all new players start at the lowest current rank, in this case, ms40w.

[Zeokage]

Thanks for that Gusoyama, my only other query is to where Akisame should appear on the banzuke. Should I assume that they're a new entry and should be ms40w instead of ms20w?

Also, thanks for those numbers Asashosakari. ^-^

[Gusoyama]

Akisame was an error from last basho, where they disappeared due to a query error. ms20w is correct.

[Zeokage]

As Akisame's ms20w on the Aki banzuke, I assume they requested kosho status for that basho. If that's the case, then where should mabunkiyo be? They're listed as Ms20W on the Kyushu banzuke. Does everyone below just shift one place down?

[Gusoyama]

I actually had both of them as ms20w, treat it kind of like a tsukidashi rank, outside of the banzuke, but at that level.

There's officially no rush on this, as I am going to cancel SCS for this basho,(see other thread) and I'm going to give it a shot myself.

[Zeokage]

I'm rubbish at banzuke, but here's what I came up with for what this banzuke could have been. Some huge holes at the bottom meant some went up with MKs.

Heruwejima	Y	
O	Doitsuyama
Araiwa	S	Frinkanohana
jesinofuji	S	
Zenjimoto	K1	Golynohana
K2	Heikotoriki
Anjoboshi	M1	Taka
norizo	M2	Metzinowaka
Tosahayate	M3	pastanoyama
gernobono	M4	Gaijingai
Marionoumi	M5	Kintamayama
Mariohana	M6	Asashosakari
bafa	M7	Tamanaogijima
Randomitsuki	M8	Takamueda
Konizan	M9	Zeokage
Shiyonofuji	M10	sashimaru
Ulsimitsuki	M11	Flohru
Ganzohnesushi	M12	Yaochoyama
dimitri	M13	Hakajusakari
Kotononami	M14	GONZABUROW
Konosato	M15	Charliki
Jakusotsu	M16	Misisko
Jejima	M17	basashihime

leonishiki	J1	Takanorappa
fujisan	J2	tainosen
asahi	J3	sekihiryu
Furanohana	J4	Meyeryu
aderechelseamaru	J5	takashoryu
kaiowaka	J6	Yanen
rantan	J7	susamajiiraion
Naskocska	J8	Mariotoki
Maguroyama	J9	Oshirokita
Choshu-yuki	J10	Kotoniko
Kachitakai	J11	Larissi
Xiaotan	J12	sukubidubidu
Susanoo	J13	Andoreasu
Saruwatari	J14	Holleshoryu

Seki Haruaki	ms1	Terarno
Bill	ms2	Chiisabuke
Marimo	ms3	Onigashima
Toljokinodo	ms4	Senpai
Kitano	ms5	YOKOTANOHARRY
Packamawashi	ms6	Akatabi
mischashimaru	ms7	Chisaiyama
Imumaru	ms8	Hironoumi
Yanovskiyama	ms9	abudisake
Bunijiman	ms10	Toschima
geri	ms11	Mysko
Kasamatsuri	ms12	tsunamiko
nirumaruyama	ms13	marshiyofuji
Yaezakura	ms14	Ruziklao
Mmikasazuma	ms15	gusoyama
nishinoshima	ms16	Annai
Sashohikufuhen	ms17	Kitakachiyama
Igiski	ms18	mabunkiyo
Mattjila	ms19	Fatakiyama
Gorgoro	ms20	Kitanoyama
Kajimoto	ms21	Hidariashiyama
Marushiki	ms22	Fay
Rowitoro	ms23	Akisame
Tomoe	ms24	Vikanohara
Tsurugame	ms25	Benderdurono
Sunibono	ms26	arrabono
Getayukata	ms27	Washuyama
ZangieF	ms28	higgin
Amenokojima	ms29	
ms30	


Banzuke-gai		Kaihayaiha
	Hirotaro
	Yubiquitoyama
	godaikonoryu
	Mushi
	sandman
	Kaioshoryu
	KOTOCHANTA
	Kofuji
	kaenkamiko
	Hasegawa
	big-jordan
	Bergero
	Takashido
	wolfgangho
	yamaneko
	yosouou
	DenMengChen
	Herritaro
	Unagiyutaka
	Akishiki
	Kuso
	Daninowaka
	Teotokamu
	mariamidze
	ShakaNui
	kijkko
	stephen

[Randomitsuki]

Randomitsuki	M8	Takamueda

I'd feel slightly annoyed to be demoted from Komusubi to M8 with a 14-1 record. :-)

Edited January 10, 2008 by Randomitsuki

[Asashosakari]

Randomitsuki	M8	Takamueda

I'd feel slightly annoyed to be demoted from Komusubi to M8 with a 14-1 record. :-)

It's a rollover error, you obviously got promoted beyond yokozuna. ;-)

[charliki]

It's a rollover error, you obviously got promoted beyond yokozuna. ;-)

Is it a rollover error for me too ? I'm demoted from M9 to M15 with a 13-2 record (In a state of confusion...)

But the must imporant is : when will we be able to play?

Edited January 10, 2008 by charliki

[Doitsuyama]

It's a rollover error, you obviously got promoted beyond yokozuna. ;-)

Is it a rollover error for me too ? I'm demoted from M9 to M15 with a 13-2 record (In a state of confusion...)

But the must imporant is : when will we be able to play?

It already was announced that Salary Cap is not played for Hatsu. Oh, and I can't complain with my rank here.